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I've been searching everywhere and can't seem to find a straight answer, so apologies if this is a weird question. So I tried to be smart this year and didn't claim any allowances on my W4, thinking I'd get a nice refund. Well, surprise! When I used my regular tax software, it's telling me I owe a whopping $13,000 in federal taxes! I was in complete shock, so I decided to double-check by uploading my documents to H&R Block. I thought it would just be around $85 for their service. They basically confirmed the same bad news about my tax situation. But now I'm seeing that the price for them to actually file the return has jumped to approximately $650! I had no idea it would cost that much. Does anyone know if I can cancel my tax prep with H&R Block before filing? I really don't want to spend $650 on tax prep right before having to shell out another $13,000 in taxes. That's just adding insult to injury at this point. Has anyone been in this situation before or know what their cancellation policy is?
Hi all, I'm a new accountant trying to wrap my head around S-Corp tax treatment. I'm working on my first 1120-S return and trying to understand how officer compensation and distributions affect everything. Here's the scenario I'm working with: - Starting basis: $54,000 - Business income: $135,000 - Officer W-2 salary: $52,000 - Distribution to officer: $26,000 I believe I should report the $52,000 W-2 on 1120-S Line 7 (Compensation of officers), which gets deducted from ordinary income and flows to the K-1 line 1 for ordinary income/loss. For the $26,000 distribution, I think this goes on Schedule K Line 16d (Distributions), which flows to K-1 Line 16 (Items affecting shareholder basis). Where I'm getting confused is the Schedule L. I calculate an increase in cash of $57,000 ($135,000 - $52,000 - $26,000). But how do I book the other side? Does everything go to Retained Earnings? Or do I need to make adjustments to shareholders' equity? Really appreciate any guidance from those who've done this before!
Great question about Schedule L! You're absolutely right that the cash increase of $57,000 goes on the asset side. For the equity side, here's how it breaks down: The $135,000 business income increases Retained Earnings, but then you have two reductions: - The $52,000 officer salary is already accounted for as an expense (reducing the net income that flows to RE) - The $26,000 distribution directly reduces Retained Earnings So your net increase to Retained Earnings should be $57,000 ($135,000 income - $52,000 salary - $26,000 distribution). One tip: Make sure your beginning and ending retained earnings on Schedule L tie to your prior year return and current year activity. The IRS computers automatically check these relationships, so any discrepancies can trigger correspondence. Also, don't forget that the $26,000 distribution reduces the shareholder's stock basis on their personal records, which will be important for future years' tax planning and any potential loss limitations.
As someone who's been preparing S-Corp returns for several years, I wanted to add a practical tip that might help with your Schedule L balancing act. When you're working through the equity side of Schedule L, it's helpful to think of it in terms of "what happened to the company's money." Your business earned $135,000, but $52,000 went to pay the officer (which reduces the earnings available to retain), and $26,000 was distributed to the shareholder. That leaves $57,000 that stayed in the company - hence the increase to Retained Earnings. One thing I always double-check is making sure the K-1 ordinary income ties back to the 1120-S net income after all deductions (including that officer compensation). In your case, the K-1 Line 1 should show $83,000 ($135,000 - $52,000) assuming no other deductions. Also, keep detailed documentation of that $52,000 officer salary justification. The IRS has been increasingly aggressive about challenging "unreasonable compensation" in S-Corps, especially when distributions are involved. Document the officer's duties, hours worked, industry salary surveys, and any other factors that support the reasonableness of the compensation amount. Good luck with your first 1120-S - it gets easier once you understand how all the pieces fit together!
This is incredibly helpful, especially the tip about thinking of Schedule L in terms of "what happened to the company's money" - that really clarifies the logic behind the entries! Your point about the K-1 Line 1 showing $83,000 makes perfect sense now that I understand the officer compensation is already deducted from ordinary income. I'm definitely taking your advice about documenting the officer salary justification seriously. I've been reading about some recent IRS cases where they've reclassified distributions as wages, and the penalties can be brutal. Do you have any specific resources or industry salary databases you'd recommend for benchmarking reasonable compensation? I want to make sure I'm using credible sources that would hold up under scrutiny. Also, one quick clarification - when you mention the K-1 ordinary income should tie back to 1120-S net income, are you referring to Line 21 (ordinary business income) on the 1120-S? I want to make sure I'm cross-checking the right lines between the forms. Thanks for the encouragement about it getting easier - as a newcomer to S-Corp taxation, it definitely feels overwhelming at first, but posts like yours are helping me see how the big picture fits together!
Yes, you're exactly right - I'm referring to Line 21 (ordinary business income/loss) on the 1120-S. That's the line that should match the K-1 Line 1 amounts for all shareholders combined. For reasonable compensation benchmarking, I typically use a combination of sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS.gov) for general salary data, PayScale or Salary.com for more specific roles, and industry-specific surveys when available. The key is using multiple sources and documenting your methodology. I also look at actual job postings for similar positions in the same geographic area - sometimes those are more current than survey data. For documentation, I create a simple memo that includes: job description/duties, hours worked, education/experience level, geographic location, industry type, company size, and then show 2-3 salary sources with ranges. This creates a defensible position if questioned. One more tip: if this is a single-shareholder S-Corp, remember that 100% of the ordinary income flows to that one K-1, but if there are multiple shareholders, the $83,000 gets allocated based on ownership percentages. Just want to make sure that's clear since it can affect your Schedule L cross-checks. You're asking all the right questions - that attention to detail will serve you well in S-Corp taxation!
Hey everyone, I've got some certificates of deposit (CDs) where my 13-year-old is listed as joint owner with me. For whatever reason, the bank has been putting the 1099-INTs in my kid's name only for the past few years. When I did my 2020 taxes, the H&R Block person told me I had to file a completely separate return for my child with just this 1099-INT income to get back the taxes that were withheld (around $120 on about $2.7K interest). I mailed it in since I couldn't e-file, but never got anything back from the IRS about it. For 2021 and 2022, the 1099-INTs for my child didn't have any taxes withheld so I just didn't do anything with them. I'm confused about the right approach here. Should I really be filing a separate tax return for my kid? Or should I be including this interest income on my own return somehow? The H&R Block tax preparer said not to include my child's 1099-INT on my return, but I want to make sure I'm doing this correctly going forward.
Great question! You're dealing with a common banking vs. tax law confusion. While banks typically issue 1099-INTs based on whose SSN is on the account (often splitting 50/50 for joint accounts as Dmitry mentioned), the tax reporting responsibility depends on who legally owns the income. For minor children, parents are indeed responsible for reporting the child's income, but they have options on HOW to report it - either on the child's separate return or on the parent's return using Form 8814, as Mei Wong explained earlier. The key issue here is determining the true legal ownership. If you added your child as joint owner purely for estate planning convenience (so the account passes to them automatically), but you're still the one funding the account and controlling it, then you might have grounds to ask the bank to issue corrected 1099s in your name only. However, if the account was intended as a gift to your child or set up for their benefit, then the current 1099 reporting might be correct, and you'd need to handle it on the tax side using one of the methods already discussed. I'd recommend talking to both the bank about the account setup AND possibly consulting a tax professional to make sure you're handling this correctly going forward.
This is really helpful clarification! I'm in a similar situation with savings bonds I bought for my kids. The bonds are in their names but I purchased them with my money and manage everything. One thing I learned from my CPA is that you should also keep documentation of your intent when you set up these accounts. If you have emails, bank forms, or notes showing that you added your child as joint owner purely for estate planning (avoiding probate), that can support your position that you're the true owner of the income. Also, if you do decide to go the route of having the bank correct the 1099s, make sure to get something in writing from them explaining the change. The IRS might question why the reporting suddenly switched from the child's SSN to yours, so having bank documentation of the correction could be important. Has anyone dealt with getting banks to issue corrected 1099-INTs for multiple prior years? I'm wondering how cooperative they typically are with these requests.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a very similar situation with my 15-year-old son's CD that was set up as joint ownership. One thing I want to add based on my recent experience: if you do decide to have the bank correct the 1099-INT reporting, be prepared for some pushback initially. I went to my credit union last month to request this change, and the first person I spoke with said it wasn't possible. I had to escalate to a supervisor who understood the difference between joint ownership for convenience vs. true beneficial ownership. What helped me was bringing documentation showing that I was the sole source of funds for the account and that my son was added only as a beneficiary for estate planning purposes. The supervisor was able to make the change going forward and issued a corrected 1099-INT for the previous year. Also, for anyone considering the Form 8814 route (including child's income on parent's return), be aware that this can affect your eligibility for certain tax benefits. In my case, it would have pushed my AGI high enough to start phasing out my child tax credit, so filing separately for my son was definitely the better choice. The tax planning tools mentioned earlier in this thread (like taxr.ai) can really help you run the numbers both ways to see which approach saves you more money in your specific situation.
Thank you for sharing your experience with the credit union! That's really valuable information about needing to escalate to a supervisor who understands the legal distinctions. I'm curious - when you brought documentation showing you were the sole source of funds, what specific documents did you use? I have bank statements showing the deposits came from my accounts, but I'm wondering if there are other types of documentation that would be helpful to bring when I talk to my bank. Also, did the corrected 1099-INT process affect your son's tax situation at all, or was it pretty seamless once the bank made the change? I want to make sure I understand all the implications before I go down this route. The point about AGI thresholds affecting tax benefits is really important too. It sounds like running the numbers both ways is definitely the smart approach before deciding which path to take.
Great questions! For documentation, I brought several things that helped make my case: 1. Bank statements showing all deposits to the CD came from my personal checking account 2. The original account opening paperwork where I had written "for estate planning purposes" in the notes section 3. A simple letter I wrote explaining my intent when adding my son as joint owner 4. My son's tax returns (or lack thereof) from previous years showing he had no other income The bank supervisor said the combination of these documents clearly showed I was the beneficial owner and my son was just a named beneficiary for convenience. As for the tax impact, it was actually seamless once the corrected 1099-INT was issued. Since my son had no other income and I was already managing his tax situation, moving the interest reporting to my return just simplified everything. No separate return needed, no Form 8814 complications. The key was getting the bank to understand that joint ownership doesn't automatically mean equal beneficial ownership, especially when one party is a minor who contributed no funds. Having that documentation made all the difference in getting them to make the correction. One tip: if your bank pushes back, you might mention that they should consult their compliance department about proper 1099 reporting for custodial vs. beneficial ownership situations.
I'm helping my mom manage her retirement accounts and I've got a question about the order of operations with RMDs and Roth conversions. She's 74 years old with both a Traditional IRA and a Roth IRA at Vanguard, and we're trying to be smart about her tax situation. Her account is currently set up to automatically withdraw 1/12 of her Required Minimum Distribution (RMD) on the 15th of each month. We're thinking about doing some strategic Roth conversions to take advantage of her lower tax brackets, but I'm confused about the timing. When I was looking at Vanguard's website, there seems to be some language suggesting that the entire RMD needs to be satisfied before doing any Roth conversions. But I wasn't sure if that's actually a hard rule or if you just need to make sure the RMD is fully satisfied by the end of the year (12/31/2025). Can we go ahead with a Roth conversion now even though she won't have her full RMD satisfied until December? Or do we really need to wait until she's taken the entire RMD amount first?
One more thing to consider with the timing of RMDs and Roth conversions - if your mom is planning to make Qualified Charitable Distributions (QCDs), those count toward satisfying the RMD but aren't taxable income. That could give you more room for Roth conversions in lower tax brackets. Just make sure the QCDs are processed BEFORE the Roth conversions, since they need to count toward the RMD first.
Great discussion everyone! I just wanted to add one practical tip that helped me when I was in a similar situation with my father's accounts. We found it really helpful to create a simple spreadsheet tracking his monthly RMD withdrawals alongside our planned Roth conversion timeline. Each month, we'd update how much of the annual RMD had been satisfied, which made it crystal clear how much "room" we had for conversions without violating the RMD-first rule. Also, don't forget that if your mom has multiple traditional IRAs, the RMD can be satisfied from any combination of them, but the conversions need to come from accounts that have already satisfied their proportional RMD share. This gave us more flexibility in our timing and allowed us to be more strategic about which accounts to convert from based on their investment performance. The key is just staying organized and keeping good records. We kept a simple log showing RMD satisfied to date, remaining RMD obligation, and conversion amounts by account. Made tax time much easier too!
I'm planning to move out later this year with my daughter. My older brother and his wife offered to rent me their finished basement as a separate living space for us. I won't be on any of the mortgage documents or utilities, but I'll be paying them a fixed amount monthly to cover part of their mortgage costs. I know that to qualify as Head of Household, you need to pay more than half the costs of keeping up a home. Since my brother owns the whole house and lives upstairs with his wife, I'm confused about my filing status. Even though I'll be paying for my own separate living space in their basement and supporting my daughter, I'm not sure if I can claim HOH when filing my 2023 taxes? Does anyone know if I can file as Head of Household in this situation? I'll have my own entrance and basically be renting the basement as our apartment, if that makes any difference.
One thing to consider is whether your brother and sister-in-law are claiming any home office or rental deductions for the basement on their taxes. If they're claiming depreciation or expenses for that space as a rental property, it actually strengthens your case for HOH because it establishes the basement as a separate rental unit. You might want to talk to them about how they're planning to handle the rental income they receive from you on their taxes. This affects both of you - they need to report the income, but it also helps confirm your status as a renter maintaining your own household.
My parents rent part of their house to my brother but they haven't been reporting the income. Will this cause problems if he tries to claim HOH?
Yes, that could potentially cause problems. If your brother claims HOH based on renting from your parents, but they haven't been reporting the rental income, it creates an inconsistency that could trigger questions from the IRS. For your brother to claim HOH, he needs to establish he's maintaining a separate household. If there's an audit and the IRS discovers your parents haven't reported rental income, it undermines the claim that there's a legitimate rental arrangement. It could appear more like a family sharing expenses rather than maintaining separate households. Your parents should really consider properly reporting the rental income - not only is it legally required, but it also helps substantiate your brother's filing status.
I went through a very similar situation when I moved into my sister's converted garage apartment with my two kids. The key thing that helped me qualify for HOH was establishing that we truly had separate households, even though we were on the same property. Here's what worked for me: - We had our own entrance (important!) - I paid a fixed monthly amount that covered utilities for our space - I bought all groceries and household items for my kids and myself - We had our own kitchen and bathroom facilities The IRS considers you to be "keeping up a home" when you pay more than half the costs of your household. Since you'll be paying rent that covers your portion of the mortgage plus presumably handling your own food, personal expenses, and care for your daughter, you should meet this requirement. Just make sure to keep detailed records of all your payments and expenses. I kept a simple spreadsheet tracking my rent payments, grocery receipts, and any other costs for our living space. Having that documentation gave me confidence when filing and would be helpful if there were ever any questions. The separate entrance you mentioned is actually a big plus - it really helps establish that you're maintaining an independent household rather than just contributing to a shared family home.
Diego Rojas
Has anyone actually tried just calling H&R Block's customer service? I've used them for years and they've always been pretty straightforward about cancellations.
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Anastasia Sokolov
Lol have you tried calling ANY tax place during filing season? I was on hold with them for 1hr 45min last week before I gave up.
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Diego Rojas
That's fair - I guess I've only had to call them in the off-season. This time of year must be a nightmare for their phone lines.
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StarSeeker
Just wanted to add another perspective here - if you do decide to cancel with H&R Block, make sure you get confirmation in writing (email) that you've cancelled and won't be charged. I've heard stories of people thinking they cancelled but still getting billed later. Also, since you mentioned owing $13k, definitely look into setting up an IRS payment plan if you need it. The IRS actually has pretty reasonable payment plan options, and the fees are way lower than what you'd pay in credit card interest. You can set it up online at IRS.gov and it's much easier than people think. Just make sure to file your return on time even if you can't pay the full amount - the failure-to-file penalty is much worse than the failure-to-pay penalty.
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