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Diego Chavez

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Just a heads up - what you're describing sounds like you're trying to evade taxes, which is illegal. There's a difference between tax avoidance (legally minimizing taxes through deductions, credits, etc.) and tax evasion (hiding income or providing false information). Even if the bank doesn't report the transaction, if you get audited, the IRS can look at the other party's records. If a business paid you and deducted it as an expense, but you didn't report the income, that creates a discrepancy that raises red flags.

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Emma Wilson

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That makes sense, and to be clear, I'm not trying to do anything illegal! I just didn't understand how the reporting system worked. I thought maybe if cash never hit my account it wouldn't be tracked. But sounds like that's not how it works at all. Is there a certain amount I need to set aside from each check for taxes? Like should I be saving 20% or something of every payment?

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Diego Chavez

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No worries, I understand you were just asking about how the system works. For self-employment income, it's generally recommended to set aside 25-30% of your income for taxes. This covers both income tax and self-employment tax (which is the self-employed version of Social Security and Medicare taxes). The exact amount depends on your total income for the year and your tax bracket. If you're making substantial self-employment income, you might need to pay quarterly estimated taxes to avoid penalties when you file your annual return.

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The whole "cash the check elsewhere" thing comes from people trying to avoid bank levies or garnishments, not taxes. Like if you owe child support and they're garnishing your bank account, some people cash checks instead of depositing them. It still doesn't avoid the obligation, just makes it harder to collect. For tax purposes, income is income regardless of how you receive it or what you do with it after. Heck, even illegal income is technically supposed to be reported on taxes (though most drug dealers don't file Schedule C's lol).

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Sean O'Brien

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Just curious, how do taxes even work for illegal income? That seems bizarre that you'd tell the government you made money illegally.

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Ava Thompson

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It's actually a real thing! The IRS has a line on tax forms for "other income" which technically includes illegal income. The famous example is Al Capone - they couldn't get him on racketeering charges that stuck, but they nailed him for tax evasion because he didn't report his illegal gambling and bootlegging income. The Fifth Amendment protects you from self-incrimination in criminal cases, but it doesn't protect you from having to pay taxes on that income. So you're supposed to report it and pay taxes on it, but you don't have to specify exactly what illegal activity generated the income. It's one of those weird legal quirks where the tax code and criminal law intersect.

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CosmicCaptain

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My wife and I went through this exact situation! In case it helps, we found the best solution was for both of us to check the "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" box (if using the old W-4) or checking box 2(c) on the new form. We make almost identical incomes, so this worked perfectly. If your incomes are very different though, you might want to use the IRS withholding calculator or the Multiple Jobs Worksheet (Step 2(b) on the W-4) for more precise withholding.

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Malik Johnson

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The "Married but withhold at higher Single rate" box doesn't exist on the new W-4 forms. They completely redesigned them in 2020. Now it's Step 2 checkbox c that does basically the same thing.

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Gemma Andrews

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I went through this exact same situation when I got married! The key thing to understand is that when you select "married filing jointly" without any other adjustments, the tax tables assume you're the only income earner in the household, which dramatically reduces withholding. Here's what worked for me and my spouse (we have similar incomes): 1. **Use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator** - It's free and way more accurate than guessing. You'll need both of your most recent pay stubs and last year's tax return. 2. **Only ONE of you should check box 2(c)** - If both spouses check this box, you'll likely overwithhold significantly. 3. **Consider using Step 4(c) for additional withholding** - Based on the estimator results, you might want to have an extra $50-100 withheld per paycheck to catch up on the underwithholding from earlier in the year. Since you mentioned you're only having $35 withheld on $1,300 biweekly pay, that's definitely too low for most tax situations. The estimator will give you specific guidance based on both your incomes combined. Don't wait until next year to fix this - you can submit a new W-4 anytime!

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Savannah Vin

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Has anyone used TurboTax Self-Employed for this kind of situation? Would it flag this issue or just let you incorrectly deduct the W2 wages on Schedule C?

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Mason Stone

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I'm an accountant and I can tell you most tax software would let you input the deduction, but it's still incorrect. Software doesn't always catch logical errors, just mathematical ones. This is definitely a situation where you need professional guidance, not DIY software.

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Freya Andersen

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This is exactly why I always recommend consulting with a tax professional BEFORE making any major payroll decisions. That said, you're not the first person to find themselves in this situation, and there are definitely paths forward. Given the substantial income amount ($135k), I'd lean toward the S-corp election route rather than trying to deduct the wages on Schedule C. The IRS has specific procedures for late S-corp elections with reasonable cause, and "lack of knowledge of the filing requirements" is often accepted if you can document it properly. Key steps I'd recommend: 1. Have your accountant prepare Form 2553 with a detailed reasonable cause statement 2. File Form 1120S for the corporate return immediately 3. Be prepared to show you acted in good faith and are now trying to comply properly The Schedule C route is risky because those wage deductions will almost certainly trigger an audit - the IRS systems will match your SSN as both the payer and recipient of those W2s. Time is critical here since there are deadlines for the S-corp election, so work with your accountant to get this filed ASAP. The sooner you address it, the better your chances of approval.

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Dylan Wright

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I'm in a similar situation and just wanted to share what finally helped me get answers. After months of those dreaded 60-day letters, I found that the key was actually understanding what those cryptic codes on my tax transcript meant. Like others mentioned, you can download your own transcript from the IRS website (irs.gov - look for "Get Transcript Online"). The transcript shows all the behind-the-scenes activity on your account that the "Where's My Refund" tool doesn't reveal. Those transaction codes and dates tell the real story of what's happening with your return. What really opened my eyes was realizing that most of these reviews aren't about catching fraud or major errors - they're often triggered by simple discrepancies like employer reporting differences, missing forms, or even just routine verification checks. The IRS computer systems flag returns automatically, and then it takes human reviewers forever to work through the backlog. The most frustrating part is that sometimes the issue has already been resolved internally, but you won't know until you either get lucky enough to reach someone by phone or learn to read those transcript codes yourself. Don't lose hope - most people do eventually get their refunds, even after multiple letters!

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Paolo Rizzo

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This is really helpful, Dylan! I had no idea that the transcript could show activity that's not visible in the "Where's My Refund" tool. That explains why I've been getting those generic "still processing" messages while apparently there's been actual progress happening behind the scenes. Your point about the issues often being simple discrepancies rather than major problems is reassuring too. I've been worried that I made some terrible mistake on my return, but it sounds like a lot of these delays are just routine verification processes that got backed up. I'm definitely going to download my transcript tonight and see if I can make sense of those codes. Even if I can't decode everything myself, at least I'll have the actual data instead of just guessing what's going on. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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Zane Gray

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Those 60-day letters are absolutely the worst! I went through the exact same thing earlier this year - got THREE of them between March and August. The complete lack of real information is what made it so stressful. Like everyone else here, I was stuck with that useless "Where's My Refund" tool showing "still processing" for months. What finally gave me peace of mind was downloading my tax transcript from the IRS website (irs.gov - look for "Get Transcript Online"). You have to create an account, but once you see those transaction codes, you'll finally understand what's actually happening behind the scenes. In my case, it was just a routine income verification that had been flagged automatically - nothing scary like I'd been imagining! The transcript shows WAY more detail than that generic "still processing" message. You can see dates, transaction codes, and the actual progress of your return through their system. It's honestly frustrating that the IRS makes this information so hard to find when it would eliminate so much anxiety for taxpayers. Hang in there - the vast majority of these cases are just routine reviews that got backed up in their system. Once you can see what's actually flagging your return, you'll probably find it's much less dramatic than all the worst-case scenarios your mind has been creating!

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I've been helping people with IRS issues for years, and one thing that often gets overlooked is the browser's JavaScript settings. The IRS payment portal relies heavily on JavaScript for form validation and submission, and if your browser has strict JavaScript blocking (either through extensions like NoScript or built-in privacy settings), it can cause those generic error messages. Try temporarily disabling any ad blockers, privacy extensions, or script blockers while setting up your payment plan. Also, make sure your browser allows third-party cookies for the IRS site, as the payment system uses multiple subdomains that need to share session data. If you're still getting errors after trying all the technical fixes mentioned here, there's also the option to call the IRS Automated Phone System at 1-888-353-4537. It's not as user-friendly as the website, but it can sometimes process payment plan requests when the online system is having issues. You'll need your SSN, filing status, and the exact refund or amount owed from your return. The early morning timing tip is excellent advice - I always tell people to try between 6-8 AM EST when possible. The system definitely seems more stable during off-peak hours.

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Evan Kalinowski

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This is really helpful advice about the JavaScript settings! I hadn't thought about browser extensions potentially interfering with the IRS site. I have uBlock Origin running pretty aggressively, so that could definitely be causing issues. Quick question about the automated phone system - does that 1-888-353-4537 number actually let you set up a payment plan, or does it just give you balance information? I've called IRS automated lines before and they usually just tell you your balance and payment due date, but don't let you actually make arrangements. Also, when you mention allowing third-party cookies for the IRS site, do you know if there's a way to whitelist just their domains rather than turning off all privacy protections? I'm pretty security-conscious and don't love the idea of completely disabling my ad blocker and privacy settings, even temporarily. Thanks for sharing your expertise - this thread has been incredibly helpful for troubleshooting these payment plan errors!

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Brian Downey

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Great questions! The automated phone system at 1-888-353-4537 actually does allow you to set up basic installment agreements, not just check balances. You'll go through a series of prompts where you can request a payment plan, though the options are more limited than what's available online. It works best for straightforward situations - if you have a complex tax situation or need specific plan terms, you'll likely get transferred to speak with an agent anyway. For the browser security settings, you can definitely whitelist specific domains rather than disabling everything. For the IRS payment system, you'll want to allow cookies and JavaScript for these domains: irs.gov, pay.gov, and treasury.gov. Most ad blockers like uBlock Origin let you temporarily disable blocking for specific sites - just click the uBlock icon and use the big power button to disable it for irs.gov while you're setting up your payment plan. You can also check your browser's site settings (in Chrome, click the lock icon next to the URL) and make sure JavaScript and cookies are allowed for the IRS site specifically. This way you keep your privacy protections intact for other sites. The key is being methodical about testing - try one change at a time so you know what actually fixes the issue!

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Javier Garcia

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I've been following this thread and wanted to share another potential solution that worked for me last month. If you're still getting errors after trying all the browser troubleshooting steps, check if you have any pending correspondence or notices from the IRS in your online account. I was getting the same generic error messages when trying to set up a payment plan, and it turned out there was an unresolved notice about a minor discrepancy on my return that was blocking the payment plan system from working. Even though the notice wasn't related to my payment arrangement, the system wouldn't let me proceed until I acknowledged it. Log into your IRS online account (separate from the payment plan portal) and check if there are any alerts, notices, or required actions. If there are, you might need to respond to those first before the payment plan system will work properly. Also, just wanted to echo what others have said about the early morning timing - I finally got through at 6:15 AM on a Tuesday after failing for over a week trying during normal business hours. The system definitely seems less glitchy during off-peak times.

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Mei Liu

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Good question! The IRS online account is separate from the payment plan portal - you access it through irs.gov by clicking "View Your Account Information" and then "Sign In to Your Online Account." You'll need to create an account if you don't have one already (requires identity verification). Once you're logged in, look for sections like "Notices and Letters" or "Tax Records" where any pending correspondence will show up. In my case, I had to click on the notice to open it and then there was a button at the bottom to "Acknowledge Receipt" - basically just confirming that I'd read it. The tricky part is that the payment plan system doesn't tell you there's a notice blocking your request - it just gives you that generic error message. It's definitely worth checking your online account before trying other troubleshooting steps, since it could save you hours of browser debugging if this is the actual issue!

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Freya Ross

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The IRS online account is actually separate from the payment plan portal - you access it through irs.gov by clicking "Get Your Tax Record" and then "Get Transcript Online" or "View Account Information." You'll need to create an ID.me account if you don't already have one for the identity verification. Once you're in, look for any alerts or notices in your account summary. In my case, I had to click on the notice to read the full details and then there was a button to "Acknowledge Receipt" at the bottom. For some notices you might need to respond with additional information, but mine just required acknowledgment that I had seen it. The whole thing took about 5 minutes once I found the notice, and then I was able to set up my payment plan immediately afterward. It's frustrating that the payment plan error messages don't give you any hint that pending correspondence might be the issue, but at least it's a relatively easy fix once you know to look for it!

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