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Just be careful with using assessed values! I'm in California and our assessed values are based on Prop 13 which limits increases to 2% per year regardless of actual market appreciation. My client tried using the assessed value for inherited property and it was WAY below market value at the time of death. Would have resulted in a huge overtaxation when they sold!
This is a great point. I'm in Florida and our property assessed values can also be wildly off from actual market value. If your client is in a state with similar property tax limitations, what approach did you end up using instead?
Great question! I've dealt with this exact scenario multiple times. The key is establishing a "reasonable" basis using whatever documentation you can gather. Here are the methods I've successfully used: 1. **County assessment records** - While not perfect, they're acceptable when properly adjusted. Look at the assessment-to-sale price ratios in that area during the inheritance year. 2. **Zillow/online estimates** - Print out historical estimates from the inheritance date. While not ideal, I've seen these accepted when combined with other evidence. 3. **Real estate agent CMAs** - Many agents can pull historical comparable sales data going back 10+ years. This creates a solid foundation for your basis calculation. 4. **Estate tax returns** - Check if the estate filed Form 706. Even if not required, sometimes executors file anyway and include property valuations. The IRS understands that perfect documentation isn't always available for inherited property. Document your methodology clearly, show good faith effort to determine fair market value, and keep detailed records of your approach. I've never had an issue when the method was reasonable and well-documented. Time-wise, you might consider filing an extension if you need more time to gather supporting documentation properly.
This is incredibly helpful! I'm new to dealing with inherited property basis issues and this breakdown is exactly what I needed. Quick question about the Zillow estimates - do you typically print screenshots from the date of inheritance, or do they actually have historical data that shows what their estimate was back then? I'm worried about using current estimates that might be trying to "guess" what the value was 10 years ago versus actual historical records from that time. Also, regarding the extension filing - is there a specific form or process for requesting additional time when you're gathering basis documentation, or do you just file a regular extension and explain the situation?
I went through this exact same situation two years ago and can confirm that you're not out of luck! The IRS does allow late filing of Form 3115 for 475(f) elections under certain circumstances. The key is that you made a good faith effort by filing the election statement with your return. You'll want to file Form 3115 with your 2024 return and include a detailed reasonable cause statement explaining why you missed the original deadline. Reference Revenue Procedure 2022-14 for automatic consent procedures. Make sure to emphasize that you properly made the election statement and are correcting the oversight as soon as you discovered it. The good news is that if accepted, you won't need to amend prior returns - the Form 3115 handles the accounting method change adjustments through Section 481(a). I'd recommend getting professional help to ensure everything is done correctly, but you definitely still have options to salvage your MTM election.
This is really helpful to hear from someone who's actually been through this process! I'm curious about the Section 481(a) adjustment you mentioned - how complicated is that to calculate? I'm trying to figure out if this is something I can handle myself or if I really need to bite the bullet and hire a professional. My trading activity wasn't super complex last year, mostly just swing trading stocks, so I'm hoping the adjustment won't be too difficult to work out.
The Section 481(a) adjustment can actually be pretty straightforward if your trading wasn't too complex. Essentially, you're calculating the difference between what your taxable income would have been under your old accounting method versus the mark-to-market method for the year you're making the change. For swing trading stocks, you'd typically be looking at any unrealized gains/losses in your positions at year-end that would now be recognized under MTM treatment. If you had net unrealized losses, that could actually work in your favor as a negative adjustment (reducing your taxable income). The calculation gets more complex if you had positions that spanned multiple years or if you're switching from installment method reporting. Given that you're already dealing with a late Form 3115 filing, I'd honestly recommend getting professional help at least for this first year to make sure everything is calculated correctly. Once you see how it's done, future years become much more manageable. The cost of getting it wrong with the IRS could be much higher than the professional fees.
I went through a very similar situation last year and want to reassure you that it's not hopeless! I made my 475(f) election with my 2022 return but completely missed the Form 3115 requirement. I didn't discover this until I was preparing my 2023 taxes. I ended up filing Form 3115 with my 2023 return under the automatic consent procedures in Rev. Proc. 2022-14. The key was including a comprehensive reasonable cause statement that explained I had made the election in good faith but was unaware of the additional Form 3115 requirement. I emphasized that I was correcting the oversight immediately upon discovery. The IRS accepted my late filing without any issues. The Section 481(a) adjustment wasn't as scary as I thought it would be - it actually worked in my favor since I had some unrealized losses that reduced my taxable income for that year. My advice: don't panic, but do act quickly. File the Form 3115 with your 2024 return, include a detailed reasonable cause statement, and reference the appropriate revenue procedure. If your trading situation is complex, consider getting professional help, but many people have successfully resolved this exact issue. The IRS is generally reasonable when you show good faith effort to comply.
This is exactly the kind of reassurance I needed to hear! I've been losing sleep over this situation thinking I completely ruined my trader status eligibility. Your experience gives me hope that the IRS will be reasonable about this oversight. Quick question - when you filed your Form 3115 late, did you have to pay any penalties or interest? And roughly how long did it take to get confirmation that they accepted your filing? I'm trying to plan for what to expect when I submit mine with my 2024 return. Also, did you handle the Section 481(a) adjustment calculation yourself or did you get professional help with that part? I'm still on the fence about whether to DIY this or hire someone, especially since money is tight right now after some trading losses this year.
I just went through this exact situation! Tax Topic 201 appeared on my WMR after filing an amended return. It turned out I had a very small state tax debt from 2019 that I didn't even know about. The IRS took that portion and sent me the rest. The whole process took about 5 weeks from when I first saw the code until I received the remaining refund. Much faster than I expected!
I understand your frustration with Tax Topic 201 - it's definitely stressful when you're already waiting on a refund! From what others have shared here, this code typically indicates a potential Treasury Offset Program situation where they might apply part of your refund to outstanding federal or state debts. Since you filed an amended return, there's a good chance this is just a precautionary flag while they process both your original and amended returns. I'd recommend calling the Treasury Offset Program hotline at 800-304-3107 to check if you have any debts that could affect your refund. Even if there is an offset, you should still receive any remaining balance. Keep in mind amended returns can take 16+ weeks to process even without complications, so try to have a backup plan just in case. Hope this helps ease some of the worry!
This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation and didn't know about that Treasury Offset hotline. Quick question though - if they do find an offset, do you know if there's any way to dispute it if you think the debt isn't valid? I've heard horror stories about people having their refunds taken for debts that weren't actually theirs.
I've been through this PATH Act delay several times over the years, and while it's frustrating, the IRS has generally been pretty reliable with their March timeline once they give you a specific date. The key thing is making sure you don't have any other issues with your return - like missing forms, math errors, or identity verification holds - because those can push things back even further. Since you mentioned you already got part of your refund through Refund Advance, that's actually a good sign that your basic return info processed correctly. The remaining portion is just caught up in the mandatory EITC/ACTC review period. My advice: set a calendar reminder for February 22nd to check Where's My Refund, and try not to stress too much about the date. In my experience, when they give you March 3rd, you usually see movement in your account within a few days of that date. The waiting sucks, but it's better than the old days when these delays could stretch much longer.
This is really helpful to hear from someone with experience! I was getting pretty anxious about the whole thing but knowing that they're usually reliable with the March date makes me feel better. The fact that I already got the Refund Advance portion does seem like a good sign that everything else is processing okay. Thanks for the reassurance - I'll definitely set that reminder for Feb 22nd to check WMR again.
The PATH Act delays are definitely one of the most frustrating parts of tax season, especially when you're counting on that money. I've dealt with this for the past few years and here's what I've learned: The March 3rd date they gave you is actually pretty realistic - it's not just a random guess. The IRS builds in buffer time, so many people actually see their refunds hit their accounts a few days before that date. The fact that you already received your Refund Advance portion is actually a really good indicator that your return doesn't have any major red flags. One thing that helped me manage the stress was setting up account alerts with my bank so I'd get notified immediately when the deposit hit, rather than obsessively checking every day. Also, if you're really tight on money right now, some banks offer small emergency loans or you might want to look into local assistance programs while you wait. The February 22nd update on Where's My Refund is usually when you'll see it change from "processing" to showing an actual deposit date, so that's definitely worth checking. Hang in there - I know the wait is brutal but they do typically deliver on their promises with these EITC/ACTC timelines.
Amina Bah
Something to consider - you might also want to look at tax-loss harvesting before year-end to potentially lower your MAGI. If you have any investments with unrealized losses, selling them could offset some of your gains and potentially get you under the threshold.
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Oliver Becker
ā¢But be careful with wash sales if you do this! If you buy back the same or substantially identical security within 30 days before or after selling at a loss, you can't claim the loss for tax purposes.
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Savannah Glover
Just to add another perspective - if you're really close to the income limits, you might also want to consider maximizing your 401(k) contributions if you haven't already. Traditional 401(k) contributions reduce your AGI (and therefore your MAGI), which could potentially bring you back under the Roth IRA phase-out range. For 2025, you can contribute up to $23,500 to a 401(k) ($31,000 if you're 50 or older). Even if you can't max it out completely, every dollar you contribute reduces your MAGI dollar-for-dollar. This strategy works especially well if your employer offers matching contributions too.
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Esteban Tate
ā¢This is such a great point! I completely overlooked the 401(k) strategy. With $130k salary plus $40k gains putting me at $170k MAGI, if I could max out my 401(k) at $23,500, that would bring me down to around $146,500 - right at the beginning of the phase-out range! That means I could still make at least a partial Roth contribution. Do you know if there's a deadline for increasing 401(k) contributions for this year, or can I adjust it anytime through my employer?
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