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Just went through this exact same situation last month! I over-contributed by about $2,800 when I switched jobs mid-year. Here's what worked for me: 1. Called my current 401k provider (not the old one) and explained I exceeded the annual limit due to job change 2. They handled everything - calculated the excess plus earnings and processed the corrective distribution 3. Got my 1099-R about 10 days later 4. Filed my taxes normally, reporting the excess distribution as income for 2024 The key thing that surprised me was that the earnings on the excess contribution get taxed in the year you receive the distribution (2024), not 2023. So make sure you understand that when you get your 1099-R. Don't stress too much - this is super common and the 401k providers deal with it all the time. Just make sure you get it handled before April 15th to avoid the double taxation issue that @Haley Bennett mentioned for previous years.

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Lindsey Fry

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This is really helpful, thank you! It's reassuring to hear from someone who just went through this recently. Quick question - when you called your current 401k provider, did you need to have any specific information ready besides the excess amount? Like your old employer's plan details or anything like that? Also, did the whole process affect your ability to contribute to your 401k going forward, or were you able to resume normal contributions right away?

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Zoe Stavros

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Great question! When I called, I had my W-2s from both employers handy so I could give them the exact contribution amounts from each job (box 12, code D). They also asked for my SSN and the approximate dates of employment at each company, but nothing too complicated. The excess contribution correction didn't affect my ongoing contributions at all - I was able to keep contributing normally to my current 401k right away. The correction is completely separate from your future contribution capacity. Just make sure you don't max out again this year if you're planning to change jobs mid-year! One tip: when you call, ask them to email you a confirmation of the corrective distribution request. Having that paper trail was helpful when I filed my taxes.

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AaliyahAli

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I just want to echo what others have said about not panicking - this is definitely fixable! I went through this exact scenario two years ago when I switched from a startup to a larger company mid-year. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned yet is to double-check if either of your employers offers a "safe harbor" provision where they automatically return excess contributions. Some larger companies have systems that catch this automatically, but since you switched jobs, it's less likely they would have caught it. Also, when you call your current 401k provider, ask them about the timeline for processing. Mine took about 3 weeks to process the corrective distribution, so factor that into your tax filing plans. If you're cutting it close to April 15th, definitely consider that extension like you mentioned. The good news is once you get through this, you'll be much more aware of contribution limits for future job changes. I now track my contributions monthly in a simple spreadsheet to avoid this happening again!

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This is such great advice about tracking contributions monthly! I wish I had thought of that earlier. The spreadsheet idea is brilliant - I'm definitely going to set that up for this year since I might be changing jobs again. Quick question about the "safe harbor" provision you mentioned - is that something I should specifically ask about when I call my current provider? Or would they automatically mention it if it's available? I'm just trying to make sure I don't miss any options that could make this process smoother. Also, three weeks for processing is good to know. I was hoping to get my taxes filed soon, but sounds like I should probably go ahead with that extension to be safe. Better to do this right than rush it!

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Emily Parker

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The "safe harbor" provision isn't something they'll automatically mention, so definitely ask specifically about it when you call. It's worth asking something like "Do you have any automated systems that catch excess contributions, or do I need to request this corrective distribution manually?" Some providers have better systems than others. For the spreadsheet tracking, I include columns for: date, employer, contribution amount, running total for the year, and remaining contribution room. Takes me 5 minutes a month to update and has saved me from this headache ever since. Filing the extension is probably the smart move here - you're right that it's better to do this correctly than rush it. Plus, even if you file an extension, you can always submit your return early once you get the 1099-R if everything processes faster than expected. The extension just gives you that buffer without any penalties.

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As someone who's been navigating retirement benefits for the past few years, I can confirm what others have said about the PSO deduction continuing after Medicare enrollment. The SECURE 2.0 Act provisions are pretty clear on this - Medicare eligibility doesn't disqualify you from the deduction. One thing I'd add that hasn't been mentioned much: consider looking into Health Savings Account (HSA) coordination if you have one. While you can't contribute to an HSA after enrolling in Medicare, you can still use existing HSA funds for qualified medical expenses. The PSO deduction covers your premiums, and HSA funds can cover deductibles, copays, and other out-of-pocket costs. Also, start shopping for Medicare supplement plans now, even though you're still a few years out. Prices and coverage options vary significantly between providers, and having a good understanding of what's available will help you make better decisions when the time comes. Some plans work better with pension direct-payment systems than others. The peace of mind from having this deduction continue through retirement is huge. It's one less financial worry during what can already be a stressful transition period.

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Liam Cortez

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This is really helpful advice about HSA coordination! I hadn't thought about how existing HSA funds could complement the PSO deduction for covering different types of medical costs. That's a smart strategy for maximizing tax-advantaged healthcare funding in retirement. Your point about shopping for Medicare supplement plans early is spot on too. I'm curious - when you mention that some plans work better with pension direct-payment systems, are you referring to administrative ease, or are there actual coverage differences that affect the deduction eligibility? I want to make sure I choose plans that not only meet my healthcare needs but also integrate smoothly with my pension office's payment processes. Thanks for the practical insights from someone who's been through this transition!

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Great question about the direct-payment compatibility! When I mentioned some plans work better with pension systems, I was referring to administrative ease. Some Medicare supplement providers have streamlined processes for setting up direct payments from pension plans, while others require more paperwork and back-and-forth communication. From a deduction eligibility standpoint, all qualified Medicare supplement plans are treated the same - as long as the premiums are paid directly from your pension to the provider, they count toward your $3,000 PSO deduction limit. The coverage differences don't affect tax eligibility. What I found most helpful was calling potential Medicare supplement providers directly and asking about their experience with pension direct-payment arrangements. The companies that had clear procedures and dedicated departments for handling these payments made the transition much smoother for both me and my pension administrator. Also, some providers offer online portals where your pension office can set up and manage automatic payments, which reduces the chance of missed payments or administrative errors. This became really valuable when I needed to make changes or add new coverage types.

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Zoe Dimitriou

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I'm a retired firefighter who just went through this exact transition at 65, and I want to emphasize something that saved me from a potential mess: make sure your pension administrator understands they need to issue you a Form 1099-R that properly reflects the PSO health insurance premium payments. When I first enrolled in Medicare and switched my PSO deduction to cover my Medicare Supplement and Part D premiums, my pension office initially coded everything as regular pension distributions. This would have made it look like I was taking taxable income that should have been excluded under the PSO provision. I had to work with them to ensure the health insurance premiums were properly excluded from the taxable portion of my pension distribution on the 1099-R. The form should show the total distribution minus the health insurance premiums as the taxable amount. This might seem like a technical detail, but it's crucial for your tax return accuracy. Without the proper 1099-R coding, you could end up paying taxes on money that should be excluded under the PSO deduction, or worse, face complications if the IRS questions the discrepancy between your deduction claim and your pension distribution reporting. Most pension administrators aren't tax experts, so don't assume they'll get this right automatically. It's worth having a conversation with them about proper 1099-R preparation before you make the Medicare transition.

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Natalie Wang

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This is incredibly valuable information about the 1099-R coding! As someone new to understanding these retirement tax complexities, I never would have thought about how the pension office reports these payments to the IRS. When you had to work with your pension administrator to fix the coding, did you need to provide them with specific IRS guidance or forms to show them how to properly exclude the health insurance premiums? I'm wondering if there are standard procedures they should be following, or if this varies by pension plan. Also, did this create any delays in your tax filing while you waited for a corrected 1099-R, or were you able to resolve it before tax season? I want to make sure I address this proactively when my time comes rather than discovering the problem after the fact. Thanks for highlighting this - it sounds like the kind of detail that could cause major headaches if overlooked!

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One thing to be really careful about with C Corp wind-downs is the accumulated earnings tax (Section 531). If the IRS determines that you've been accumulating earnings beyond the reasonable needs of the business just to avoid dividend distributions, they can hit you with a penalty tax on top of everything else. This is especially relevant for single-shareholder C Corps that have been inactive but sitting on retained earnings. For your specific situation with $25K in loan repayments and $10K in E&P, document everything meticulously. The IRS will want to see that the loans were legitimate business transactions with proper terms from the start. If you're planning to wind down completely, consider doing it in phases over multiple tax years to spread out the tax impact rather than taking everything in one year and potentially pushing yourself into higher tax brackets. Also, don't forget about state tax implications - some states have their own rules about C Corp distributions and dissolutions that might differ from federal treatment.

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This is really helpful about the accumulated earnings tax - I hadn't even considered that aspect! Quick question about the phased approach you mentioned. If I spread the distributions over multiple years, does that reset my basis calculations each year, or do I need to track the cumulative basis reduction across all the distribution years? Also, are there any minimum distribution requirements once you start the wind-down process, or can I really control the timing as much as I want?

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Micah Trail

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Great question about the phased approach! Your basis reduction is cumulative across all distribution years - you don't get to "reset" it annually. So if your initial basis is $5K and you take $3K as return of capital in year 1, your basis drops to $2K for year 2 distributions. Regarding timing control, there generally aren't minimum distribution requirements for C Corps in wind-down mode, which gives you flexibility. However, be careful not to drag it out too long - the IRS could question whether you're truly winding down if the process stretches over many years without legitimate business reasons. One strategy I've seen work well is taking the loan repayments first (since those aren't taxable), then spreading the E&P distributions over 2-3 years to manage your tax brackets. Just make sure you maintain proper corporate formalities throughout the process and document the business reasons for your timing decisions. State requirements may vary, so check your state's rules about inactive corporations and any ongoing filing obligations. @76a129710797 mentioned the accumulated earnings tax - that's definitely something to watch if you're sitting on significant retained earnings without clear business justification for keeping them in the corp.

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One thing I'd add to this excellent discussion is to consider the timing of when you actually receive the loan repayment funds versus when you take the dividend distribution. The IRS looks closely at the substance over form, so if you're taking both transactions simultaneously or very close together, they might view it as one large distribution rather than separate transactions. I'd recommend clearly documenting the loan repayment first, wait a reasonable period (maybe a quarter or two), then handle the dividend distribution separately. This creates a cleaner paper trail and reduces the risk of the IRS challenging the characterization of your transactions. Also, since you mentioned this is essentially a wound-down operation, make sure you're not triggering any personal holding company tax issues if you have significant passive income. With inactive C Corps, sometimes rental income or investment income can create unexpected tax complications that are separate from your distribution planning.

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Dylan Fisher

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This is really smart advice about the timing separation! I'm actually dealing with a similar situation right now and was planning to do both transactions in the same month, but you're absolutely right that it could raise red flags with the IRS about substance over form. Quick follow-up question - when you mention waiting "a quarter or two" between transactions, is that based on any specific IRS guidance or just best practice from your experience? I'm trying to balance the timing strategy with my cash flow needs since I do need access to these funds relatively soon. Also, regarding the personal holding company tax you mentioned - what's the threshold for passive income that would trigger those rules? My C Corp has been mostly dormant but does have a small amount of rental income from some equipment we lease out.

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CosmicCadet

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Sales tax is so random too! In my state clothes are tax free but only if they cost less than $175 per item. And basic groceries aren't taxed but prepared foods are. And don't get me started on digital purchases and subscription services - the rules are all over the place depending on where you live. Pro tip: keep track of all the sales tax you pay throughout the year - you can deduct either your state income tax OR your sales tax on your federal return, whichever is higher. If you make big purchases in a year like a car or major appliances, the sales tax deduction can sometimes be better!

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Liam O'Connor

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Really? I didn't know you could deduct sales tax instead of state income tax. How do you keep track of all that though? Do you need to save every single receipt?

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You don't need to save every single receipt! The IRS has tables that estimate your sales tax based on your income and family size. You can use those numbers, or if you made big purchases like a car or home renovations, you can add the actual sales tax from those receipts to the table amount. I learned this the hard way after keeping a shoebox full of receipts for a year - turns out the IRS table method was actually higher than what I calculated manually! Now I just save receipts for major purchases over $1000 and use the table for everything else.

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I totally understand your frustration! This is one of those things that seems unfair until you understand how the system works. Think of it this way - income tax is like paying for your "membership" in society (funding federal programs, defense, etc.), while sales tax is more like paying for the specific services in your community each time you use them. The $43 in sales tax you paid is actually going toward local things like maintaining the roads you drove on to get to the mall, the police who keep that area safe, and the fire department that would respond if there was an emergency. It's not the same money being taxed twice - it's different taxes for different purposes. That said, there are definitely ways to be smarter about sales tax! Many states don't tax necessities like groceries and prescription drugs. And if you're buying work clothes, some states have special exemptions for uniforms or work-related clothing. You might also want to time big purchases around your state's tax-free weekends if they have them.

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Yara Assad

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This is a really helpful way to think about it! I never considered the "membership vs. usage fee" analogy before. That actually makes the whole system make more sense to me. I'm curious about those tax-free weekends you mentioned - do most states have them? And is there usually a limit on how much you can spend during those periods? I feel like I could save a decent amount if I planned my bigger purchases around those times. Also, @9d61c4aa2978 do you know if there's an easy way to find out which specific items are exempt from sales tax in my state? It sounds like the rules can be pretty specific and I don't want to keep paying tax on things I don't have to.

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Amara Eze

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This is actually a great learning thread! I've been doing taxes for years and still see people get confused by this exact scenario. One additional thing to check - look at the year-to-date totals if this was a job you started partway through 2023. Sometimes when you start a new job mid-year, the payroll system doesn't know about your previous earnings, so they might underwithhold federal taxes assuming this is your only income source. Also, for future reference, if you're working multiple jobs simultaneously, you might want to use the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator (on their website) to see if you need to adjust your W-4s. Multiple jobs can push you into higher tax brackets, and the standard withholding tables don't always account for that properly. The fact that your refund dropped significantly after entering this W-2 suggests you'll owe more tax than was withheld from this particular employer. It's not necessarily an error - it's just how the math works out when you have multiple income sources with different withholding rates.

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Arjun Patel

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This is such valuable advice, especially the part about multiple jobs potentially pushing you into higher tax brackets! I never realized that the withholding tables at each job don't "know" about your other income sources. That totally explains why someone could end up owing more taxes even when they thought they were withholding enough from each job individually. The IRS Tax Withholding Estimator tip is gold - I wish more people knew about that tool. It's so much better than just guessing at your W-4 allowances across multiple employers. I'm definitely going to bookmark this for next year's tax planning. Thanks for sharing your expertise!

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a similar situation where I have four W-2s and one of them shows identical amounts in boxes 1, 3, and 5, while the others don't. After reading all these explanations, I now understand this likely happened because that particular employer (a seasonal retail job) didn't offer any pre-tax benefits like 401k or health insurance, so there were no deductions to reduce box 1. My other employers all have retirement plans and health insurance that I participate in, which explains why their box 1 amounts are lower than boxes 3 and 5. What really clicked for me was the explanation about withholding rates - I bet that seasonal job used a different withholding calculation since they probably assumed it was my only income source. I'll definitely check the IRS Tax Withholding Estimator before next tax season to make sure I'm having enough withheld across all my jobs. Thanks everyone for breaking this down so clearly - tax documents can be so confusing when you're juggling multiple employers!

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I'm so glad this thread has been helpful for you too! It's amazing how many people run into this exact same confusion with multiple W-2s. Your seasonal retail job situation is a perfect example of why those boxes would be identical - no benefits means no pre-tax deductions to complicate things. I'm in a similar boat with multiple part-time jobs, and I never realized how much the withholding assumptions could throw off my tax planning. The idea that each employer basically calculates withholding in a vacuum, not knowing about your other income sources, was a real eye-opener for me. Definitely planning to use that IRS Tax Withholding Estimator next year - seems like such a simple way to avoid these surprises at tax time. Thanks for sharing your experience!

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