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I've dealt with this exact same issue! Had a client who got the LTR 3463C for their e-filed 941s, and it turned out to be exactly what others have mentioned - a disconnect between the IRS's electronic filing acceptance system and their signature verification process. The key thing to understand is that this isn't questioning whether your brother filed the forms (they clearly have them since they sent acceptance confirmations). It's just their outdated system flagging the submission for additional verification, especially common when you have mixed quarters like he does - some with payroll activity and some without. Tell your brother to stop stressing and just sign the declaration form and mail it back with a copy of his e-filing confirmations attached. I always recommend sending it certified mail so you have proof of delivery. The IRS will update their records to show proper signature verification and close the case within 4-6 weeks typically. This is purely administrative - no penalties, no audit risk, just bureaucratic box-checking. But definitely don't ignore it because unresolved signature verification issues can eventually be treated as unfiled returns down the road.
This is really helpful context! As someone new to dealing with IRS correspondence, I'm curious - when you say to attach copies of the e-filing confirmations, do you mean just the basic confirmation emails from the tax software, or are there specific documents we should include? Also, is there any particular way to format the cover letter when sending back the signed declaration, or do you just send the form by itself?
Good question! For the e-filing confirmations, include the main confirmation email from your tax software that shows the IRS accepted the submission - it usually has an acknowledgment number or electronic postmark. If you have any transmission reports or detailed confirmation receipts, those are helpful too. As for formatting, I typically recommend a simple cover letter that references the notice number (LTR 3463C) and states something like "Enclosed please find the signed declaration as requested in your notice dated [date]. Also enclosed are copies of electronic filing confirmations showing these forms were properly submitted and accepted by the IRS on [dates]." Keep it brief and professional. The most important thing is the certified mail - you want that green receipt showing the IRS received your response. I've seen too many cases where people sent regular mail and then had to deal with the IRS claiming they never received the signed declaration.
I went through this exact same situation last year with my consulting business! Got the LTR 3463C for Q2 and Q3 where I had zero payroll, even though I e-filed through FreeTaxUSA and had confirmation receipts. What I learned from calling the IRS (after waiting 3 hours on hold) is that their system sometimes flags quarters with zero wages for additional verification, especially when it's part of an irregular payroll pattern. The agent explained that the electronic signature was accepted for filing purposes, but they need the manual signature declaration to complete their internal verification process. I just signed the declaration form they sent, attached copies of my e-filing confirmations, and mailed it back certified mail. Got a letter about 6 weeks later confirming the matter was resolved. No penalties, no issues - just their bureaucratic process. Tell your brother to stop being stubborn and just send it back! It's literally a 5-minute task that will close this out completely. The alternative is potentially having this escalate into a much bigger headache down the road if the IRS decides to treat it as an unfiled return.
Thanks for sharing your experience with FreeTaxUSA! I'm curious - when you called the IRS and waited those 3 hours, did they give you any insight into why some businesses get these verification requests and others don't? My friend runs a similar consulting business with irregular payroll and has never gotten one of these letters, so I'm wondering if there's something specific that triggers their system to flag certain accounts for additional verification.
One thing nobody's mentioned - if you're paying $1,890/month with only a $340 subsidy, you might qualify for a larger subsidy depending on your income. The ACA subsidies were expanded for 2023-2025. Might be worth double-checking on healthcare.gov if your marketplace plan is giving you the maximum subsidy you're entitled to. Could save you more money than any tax deduction!
I went through this exact same situation last year! The key thing to understand is that there are actually TWO different types of health insurance deductions, and most people (including tax software) get them confused: 1. **Self-employed health insurance deduction** - This is the "above-the-line" deduction that reduces your AGI directly. You DON'T qualify for this since you're not self-employed. 2. **Medical expense itemized deduction** - This is where your ACA premiums (minus subsidies) can potentially be deducted, but only if you itemize AND your total medical expenses exceed 7.5% of your AGI. Based on your numbers ($32k AGI, $18,600 in net premiums after subsidies), you'd easily clear the 7.5% threshold ($2,400). The question is whether itemizing makes sense overall. Here's what I'd suggest: Make sure you're capturing ALL your medical expenses - not just premiums. Include copays, prescriptions, dental work, vision care, medical equipment, even mileage to medical appointments. Also don't forget about state income taxes paid, property taxes (if any), and charitable donations for your itemized total. Your situation actually looks like a good candidate for itemizing, unlike most ACA marketplace participants. Definitely worth running the numbers both ways before filing!
This is such a helpful breakdown! I've been lurking here trying to understand my own health insurance deduction situation and this really clarifies the difference between the two types. Quick question - when you mention including "mileage to medical appointments," is there a standard rate for that? I drive about 45 minutes each way to see my specialist twice a month, so that could add up over the year if it's deductible.
Quick question - does anyone know if the gift tax applies to cryptocurrency transfers? I was thinking of sending my sister some Bitcoin to help with her expenses but not sure if that triggers any reporting requirements.
Yes, the gift tax rules apply to cryptocurrency the same as cash. If you give more than $15k worth of Bitcoin (valued on the date of transfer) to one person in a year, you'd need to file the gift tax form. Also keep in mind there are potential capital gains implications for you as the giver if the Bitcoin has increased in value since you acquired it.
Thanks everyone for all this helpful information! I had no idea about the lifetime exemption being so high - it really changes things knowing I'd just need to file a form but wouldn't actually owe tax. The suggestion about paying medical expenses directly is genius. I'm definitely going to contact his hospital about paying that $5k directly, and then I can help him with the remaining debt without going over the annual limit. One follow-up question though - when you pay medical expenses directly to providers, do you need any special documentation from the recipient to prove it was for their medical care? Or is the payment directly to the hospital/doctor sufficient proof for the IRS? Also really appreciate the recommendations for taxr.ai and Claimyr - might check those out if I run into any complications. This community is so much more helpful than trying to decode IRS publications on my own!
For medical payments made directly to providers, you typically don't need special documentation from the recipient beforehand. The key is that you're paying the medical provider directly rather than giving money to the person who then pays the bill. Keep records of your payments to the hospital/doctor showing it was for medical services - this serves as your documentation that it qualifies for the medical expense exemption. The IRS considers direct payments to medical providers as qualifying for the unlimited medical expense exclusion as long as they're for legitimate medical care. Just make sure you're actually paying the provider directly (hospital, doctor's office, etc.) rather than reimbursing your brother after he's already paid. You're absolutely right that this strategy will work perfectly - pay the $5k medical debt directly to the hospital (no gift tax implications), then you can still give him up to $15k cash for other debts without any reporting requirements. Smart planning!
Our C-corp uses the annualized income installment method since our revenue is extremely seasonal (educational services company). It's worth noting that even with this method, we still had to pay an underpayment penalty last year because we miscalculated our Q3 payment. Make sure you're documenting your calculation methodology thoroughly and keeping detailed records of how you arrived at each quarterly payment amount. We now use Form 8936 (Annualized Income Installment Method) for each quarter even though it's technically only required at year-end filing. This creates a paper trail showing our good faith effort to comply.
Does the IRS provide any guidance on acceptable margin of error for large corporations using the annualized method? I heard something about a 10% rule but couldn't find it in any official documentation.
There's no official "margin of error" percentage that the IRS universally accepts for large corporations using the annualized method. What you might be referring to is that if you pay at least 90% of the tax shown on your return through estimated payments, you generally won't face a substantial underpayment penalty. However, for large corporations specifically, the rules are stricter. The expectation is 100% accuracy, though the IRS will consider reasonable cause for underpayment. This is why documentation of your calculation methodology is so critical. If you can demonstrate that you made a good faith effort using reasonable business judgment and accounting principles, you have a better chance of penalty abatement if challenged.
Has anyone successfully requested a waiver for the estimated tax penalty? Our corporation had an unexpected loss in Q4 of 2023 that threw off our entire calculation for 2024 estimates because our prior year numbers suddenly dropped significantly.
Yes, we actually succeeded with this last year. Document EVERYTHING though. We had to prove the Q4 loss was both substantial and completely unforeseeable. We provided board minutes, financial projections from before the loss, and a detailed timeline showing when we became aware of the issue and how we adjusted our estimates accordingly. Form 2220 is your friend here - file it with your return and attach a detailed letter explaining the circumstances. We also included news articles about the industry-wide issue that affected us to show it wasn't just poor planning on our part.
Thanks for the detailed advice! That's really helpful. We'll definitely gather all the documentation showing the unexpected nature of our loss. I didn't think about including industry news articles - that's brilliant since our situation was partly due to a major supplier bankruptcy that impacted the whole sector. Did you find that having a tax professional present your case made a difference? We've been debating whether to have our regular accountant handle it or bring in a specialized tax attorney.
Ryan Kim
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm also new to the workforce and was using a daily pay app without really understanding how it worked tax-wise. Reading everyone's explanations has cleared up so much confusion for me. What I found most reassuring is learning that these apps are essentially just early access to money I've already earned, and that my employer is still handling all the tax calculations normally. The IRS only cares about my total annual earnings and withholdings - not when I actually received the money throughout the year. I love all the practical tips people have shared too - keeping screenshots of withdrawals, talking to HR about how transactions appear on pay stubs, and being mindful of those fees that can add up. I'm definitely going to start tracking my usage better and maybe limit how often I withdraw to avoid unnecessary fees. As someone who was genuinely worried about accidentally messing up my taxes, this community has given me so much peace of mind. Thanks to everyone who took the time to share their knowledge and experiences - it's exactly what newcomers like us need to hear!
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Leo McDonald
ā¢I'm so glad this thread has been helpful for you too! As another newcomer who was totally confused about daily pay and taxes when I started, it's amazing how much clearer everything becomes once you understand the basics. What really clicked for me was realizing that from the IRS's perspective, it's like the daily pay app doesn't even exist - they just see your total earnings and tax withholdings for the year, period. That takes away so much of the anxiety about whether we're doing something wrong by accessing our pay early. I'm definitely going to implement some of the record-keeping strategies people mentioned here. The screenshot idea seems so simple but smart, and I think tracking my usage will help me be more mindful about those fees. It's easy to think "$3 here and there" isn't a big deal, but hearing someone mention spending $200+ in fees in one year really puts it in perspective! Thanks for being part of such a supportive discussion. It's reassuring to know there are others in the same boat asking the same questions. This community really makes navigating your first job feel a lot less intimidating!
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Natasha Petrova
As someone who just went through this exact situation last year, I wanted to add some reassurance! I was super paranoid about using daily pay because I thought it might mess up my taxes somehow, but it turned out to be completely fine. The key thing that helped me understand it was realizing that your employer sees your full earnings for each pay period and calculates taxes on that total amount, regardless of whether you withdraw money early through the app. So if you work 5 days and earn $400, taxes are calculated on that full $400 even if you only withdraw $200 through daily pay and get the remaining $200 (minus what you already took) in your regular paycheck. When I got my W-2, it showed exactly what I expected - my total gross pay for the year and total tax withholdings. There was no mention of daily pay anywhere because from a tax perspective, it's invisible. One thing I wish someone had told me earlier: try to use the app strategically rather than constantly. Those small fees really do add up! I probably spent around $150 in fees that year, which could have gone toward building my emergency fund instead. Now I only use it for genuine emergencies rather than convenience. But tax-wise, you're totally in the clear. Just keep your pay stubs organized and everything will match up perfectly when you file!
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Miguel Alvarez
ā¢This is such valuable insight from someone who actually went through tax season with daily pay! Your breakdown of how taxes are calculated on the full $400 regardless of withdrawals really helps me visualize what's happening behind the scenes. It's reassuring to hear that your W-2 came out exactly as expected with no complications. The point about using the app strategically rather than constantly is really important too. I hadn't thought about it that way, but $150 in fees over a year is definitely money that could be better used elsewhere! I think I need to be more intentional about when I actually need early access versus when I'm just being impatient for payday. Your comment about daily pay being "invisible" from a tax perspective really drives home what everyone else has been saying - the IRS only cares about the big picture numbers, not the timing of payments. That takes away so much of the worry about accidentally doing something wrong. Thanks for sharing your real experience of going through a full tax year with these apps. It's exactly the kind of practical perspective that helps newcomers like me feel more confident about navigating this stuff!
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