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How to handle personal use of company vehicle for S-Corp owners on 1120S returns?

I'm trying to tackle the personal use of company car (PUCC) on my S-Corp return and getting myself confused when tying out the trial balance. The adjustment for personal usage is throwing me off. Here's my dilemma - since it's an add back for personal usage, I'm struggling with how to properly handle it as wages. If I deduct it as wages, it seems like I'm just going in circles. Basically, I deducted the full vehicle expenses on the business return, then picked up personal income for the personal portion used. But if that's then deducted as salary, it feels like I didn't really accomplish anything other than paying payroll taxes on it. Can someone walk me through the proper accounting treatment here? I want to make sure I'm handling the 1120S correctly for my small construction business. My accountant retired and I'm trying to figure this out before meeting with a new one next week.

The confusion around personal use of company vehicles for S-Corp owners is really common! Here's how to think about it: When your S-Corp provides a vehicle that you use partly for business and partly for personal use, the company can deduct 100% of the actual expenses (gas, insurance, repairs, etc.) on the 1120S. However, the personal-use portion is considered a fringe benefit to you as the owner/employee. This personal-use portion gets added to your W-2 as compensation. But here's the key - it's NOT also deducted as "wages expense" on the S-Corp return. That would indeed create the circular situation you're describing. The personal use is simply a taxable benefit to you that doesn't affect the vehicle expense deduction on the business side. So on your trial balance, you'll leave the vehicle expenses fully deducted, and the personal use portion just becomes part of your wage reporting on your W-2. Does that help clarify things?

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Thank you for explaining this but I'm still confused about one thing. If the personal use amount gets added to my W-2, isn't that increasing my salary expense on the business side? So if I deducted $10,000 for the vehicle and $3,000 was personal use, that $3,000 gets added to my W-2, but doesn't that also mean the business is showing $3,000 more in wage expense?

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The personal use portion is added to your W-2 as a non-cash fringe benefit, but it doesn't create an additional wage expense deduction for the S-Corp. It's essentially reclassifying a portion of the already-deducted vehicle expenses. When you track this in your accounting system, you'd typically record the full vehicle expenses in your vehicle expense accounts. Then at year-end, you'd recognize the personal use portion as a fringe benefit in your payroll system, but this doesn't create an additional expense for the business - it's just properly allocating the tax treatment of an expense you've already recorded.

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I struggled with this exact issue and finally found a solution through taxr.ai (https://taxr.ai). I uploaded my vehicle logs and expense records, and the system helped me calculate the exact personal use percentage and showed me how to properly record it on my S-Corp return. What's really helpful is they guided me through the proper journal entries - keeping the full vehicle expenses deducted on the S-Corp side while correctly reporting the personal use portion as a fringe benefit on my W-2. The key insight was understanding that this isn't a "double dip" situation where you're getting two deductions. Instead, you're maintaining the business deduction while properly reporting the personal benefit.

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Does taxr.ai handle other S-corp issues too? I'm having trouble with home office deductions and reasonable compensation questions. Did they give you actual journal entries or just general advice?

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I've seen so many of these tax helper sites pop up lately. How accurate is this one? Is it actually reviewing your specific situation or just spitting out generic advice you could find on IRS.gov?

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Yes, they handle pretty much all S-corp tax issues including reasonable compensation analysis. They gave me specific journal entries tailored to my situation, not just generic advice. The entries showed exactly how to maintain the vehicle expense deduction while allocating the personal portion to my W-2. It's definitely not generic advice - they analyze your specific documents and transactions. They pointed out that I was missing some vehicle maintenance records that would have increased my deduction, and even flagged a potential audit risk in how I was previously handling my mileage logs.

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Just wanted to follow up and say I tried taxr.ai after seeing it mentioned here. Their S-corp analysis was incredibly helpful! I uploaded my QuickBooks file and vehicle logs, and they identified that I had been double-counting my PUCC adjustment for years. They created a custom worksheet showing how to correctly handle the personal use portion without creating the circular accounting problem. Wish I'd known about this service years ago - would have saved me so much confusion and probably some overpaid taxes too.

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After struggling with the IRS about how I handled my company vehicle for the past two years, I finally got through to someone who could actually explain what I did wrong. Took forever to reach them though - I was on hold for literally 3+ hours before getting disconnected TWICE. Finally used https://claimyr.com to get through (check out their demo at https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c). They got me connected to an IRS agent within 27 minutes who was able to pull up my file and explain exactly how the PUCC should be reported. The agent confirmed that you don't "double dip" by deducting the personal portion as wages - it's just added to your W-2 as a fringe benefit while the S-Corp maintains the full vehicle expense deduction.

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How does this Claimyr thing work? Are they somehow skipping the IRS hold line or something? Seems sketchy if they're claiming to get you through faster than the normal hold process.

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Yeah right. No way this actually works. The IRS phone system is completely broken by design. If this service really got you through in 27 minutes I'll eat my hat. And even if you did get through, how do you know the agent gave you the right info? Half the time they contradict each other.

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It's not sketchy at all - they use a system that continuously redials until it makes a connection, then calls you when they get through. They're not skipping lines or doing anything improper, just using technology to handle the frustrating redial process. I was skeptical at first too, but my accountant recommended it. And yes, it really was 27 minutes - I was shocked too. As for the advice quality, the agent was in the business tax department and specifically handled S-Corp issues. She cited the specific IRS publications and walked me through exactly how to correct my previous returns with the proper PUCC treatment.

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Alright, I have to eat my words. I tried Claimyr this morning after being skeptical. Got through to an IRS agent in about 35 minutes after spending DAYS trying on my own last month. The agent confirmed everything about the S-Corp vehicle treatment that others mentioned here. The personal portion gets added to the W-2 as a fringe benefit but doesn't create an additional wage expense deduction for the corporation. The business still deducts 100% of the actual vehicle expenses. They even emailed me the relevant section of the IRS manual that explains this specific situation. Consider me converted.

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My CPA handles my S-Corp's vehicle expenses this way: 1. Deduct 100% of actual vehicle expenses on the 1120S 2. Calculate personal use % based on mileage logs 3. Add the personal-use portion value to my W-2 Box 1 as wages 4. Also include it in Boxes 3 and 5 for Social Security and Medicare 5. Add a separate note on my W-2 indicating "PUCC: $X,XXX" I think the confusion comes from thinking of this as a "wage expense" when it's really just a reclassification of part of your vehicle expenses as a taxable fringe benefit. There's no new deduction created - you're just properly allocating the tax treatment between business and personal.

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Does your CPA use any particular method for valuing the personal use portion? I've heard of the cents-per-mile method and the annual lease value method. Which one works better for an S-Corp owner?

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We use the Annual Lease Value method since my vehicle is higher-value and I do significant business driving. This method tends to be more favorable than the cents-per-mile method in my situation. The IRS has tables in Publication 15-B that show the annual lease values based on the fair market value of the vehicle. My CPA says the cents-per-mile method is easier but often results in a higher personal use value, especially for more expensive vehicles. However, if you drive very little for personal use, the cents-per-mile might actually be better. It really depends on your specific situation and vehicle.

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I messed this up for years until I got audited! Here's what the IRS agent told me: you NEVER deduct the personal use as a wage expense. It's added to the employee/owner's W-2, but that doesn't create a new expense deduction. The vehicle expenses stay 100% deducted. Think of it this way: your company spent real money on the vehicle. That expense is real and 100% deductible. The fact that you (as employee) received some personal benefit from that company expenditure is a separate issue that affects your personal income, not the company's expenses.

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That makes so much sense the way you explained it. So the company deducts $10k for vehicle, and if $3k was personal use, the company still deducts $10k, but I pay personal income tax on that $3k benefit. The company doesn't get another $3k deduction for wages because they've already deducted the full $10k as a vehicle expense.

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I've been struggling with this exact issue for my small landscaping S-Corp. The way everyone explained it finally clicked for me - the vehicle expenses stay fully deducted on the business side, and the personal use portion just becomes taxable income to me personally. I was making the same mistake as the original poster, thinking I needed to somehow "back out" the personal portion from the business deduction. But now I understand it's more like the company paid for something that benefited me personally, so I need to pay tax on that benefit while the company keeps its legitimate business expense deduction. One follow-up question though - do I need to track this monthly throughout the year for payroll purposes, or can I just do it as a year-end adjustment when preparing the 1120S and W-2?

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Great question about timing! You can handle this either way, but most S-Corp owners find it easier to do a year-end adjustment rather than tracking monthly. Here's why: Monthly tracking requires you to constantly monitor your mileage and calculate the personal use percentage each month, then adjust your payroll accordingly. This can be administratively burdensome for small businesses. The year-end approach is much simpler - you track your total vehicle expenses and mileage throughout the year, then calculate the personal use percentage at year-end. You can then add the personal use amount to your final payroll run or include it as a separate line item on your W-2. Just make sure you're keeping detailed mileage logs throughout the year to support your personal vs. business use calculation. The IRS is pretty strict about contemporaneous records for vehicle deductions, so you can't just estimate at year-end. Your payroll company should be able to handle this as a year-end fringe benefit addition to your W-2 without any issues.

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As someone who just went through this exact situation with my consulting S-Corp, I can confirm what everyone is saying here. The key breakthrough for me was realizing that the personal use of company vehicle (PUCC) isn't creating a new deduction - it's just properly allocating the tax consequences of an expense that's already been deducted. Here's the simple way I think about it now: My S-Corp bought gas, insurance, and maintenance for the company vehicle - those are legitimate business expenses that get fully deducted. The fact that I personally benefited from some of that spending doesn't change the business expense deduction. It just means I need to pay personal income tax on the value of that benefit. The journal entries are straightforward: Debit vehicle expenses, credit cash/accounts payable (normal business expense). Then at year-end, no additional journal entry is needed - you just calculate the personal use value and include it on your W-2 as a fringe benefit. I was overthinking it for years before my new CPA explained it this way. The "circular" feeling you're experiencing is exactly what I felt too, but once you realize there's no additional wage expense deduction being created, it all makes sense.

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This explanation really helps clarify the concept! I've been wrestling with the same "circular" feeling about PUCC. Your point about it being an allocation of tax consequences rather than creating new deductions makes perfect sense. I'm curious though - when you say "calculate the personal use value" for the W-2, are you using the actual expenses method (taking the personal percentage of total vehicle costs) or one of the IRS valuation methods like the annual lease value? I've seen both approaches mentioned in this thread and wondering which one worked better for your consulting business. Also, did you run into any issues with your state tax treatment? I'm in California and sometimes they have different rules than federal for S-Corp fringe benefits.

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The confusion you're experiencing is completely normal - this is one of those S-Corp issues that trips up a lot of business owners! The key insight that helped me was understanding that you're not creating two separate deductions. Think of it this way: Your S-Corp spent real money on vehicle expenses (gas, insurance, repairs, etc.) - that's a legitimate business deduction that stays on your books at 100%. The personal use portion isn't a "wage expense" that gets deducted again. Instead, it's just a fringe benefit that gets added to your W-2 for tax purposes. So if your company spent $10,000 on vehicle expenses and 30% was personal use: - S-Corp deducts the full $10,000 as vehicle expenses - You pay personal income tax on $3,000 as a fringe benefit on your W-2 - There's NO additional $3,000 wage deduction for the S-Corp The company already got its deduction when it paid the vehicle expenses. Adding the personal portion to your W-2 just ensures you're paying the appropriate personal income tax on the benefit you received. You're not going in circles - you're properly allocating the tax treatment between business and personal use. Make sure you keep detailed mileage logs to support your business vs. personal percentages. The IRS is pretty strict about contemporaneous records for vehicle deductions.

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This is exactly the clarification I needed! I've been going around in circles trying to figure out where I was making my mistake. The way you broke down the $10,000 vehicle expense example really drives the point home - the S-Corp gets its full deduction for the actual money spent, and the personal use portion is just a tax consequence for me personally, not another business deduction. I think I was getting confused because I was thinking of the W-2 addition as creating a wage expense, when really it's just properly reporting the taxable benefit. No wonder it felt like I was chasing my tail! One quick follow-up - when you mention keeping detailed mileage logs, do you track this daily or is a weekly summary sufficient? I'm trying to set up a system that's thorough but not overly burdensome for my small operation.

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For mileage logs, I'd recommend daily tracking if possible, but weekly summaries can work if you're consistent and detailed. The IRS wants contemporaneous records, so the closer to real-time the better. I use a simple app on my phone that tracks GPS automatically - just hit "start business trip" and "end business trip" and it logs everything with timestamps and addresses. Much easier than trying to remember at the end of the week! The key is having the date, mileage, destination, and business purpose for each trip. If you do weekly summaries, make sure you can reconstruct the individual trips if needed during an audit.

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This has been such a valuable discussion! As someone who's been handling S-Corp returns for my small business for a few years now, I really appreciate how clearly everyone explained the PUCC treatment. The lightbulb moment for me was realizing that this isn't about creating or eliminating deductions - it's about proper tax allocation. The S-Corp legitimately spent money on vehicle expenses, so it gets to deduct those expenses. The fact that I received personal benefit from some of that spending is a separate tax issue that affects my personal return, not the business deduction. I was definitely falling into the same trap as the original poster, thinking I needed to somehow "net out" the personal portion from the business expenses. But now I understand it's more like: the company paid for something, the company gets to deduct what it paid, and I separately need to report the personal benefit I received. Thanks to everyone who shared their experiences and explanations. This is exactly the kind of real-world guidance that's so hard to find in the tax code itself. I feel much more confident about handling this correctly on my upcoming return!

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I'm so glad this discussion helped clarify things for you! As someone new to S-Corp taxation, I was reading through this entire thread trying to wrap my head around the same concept. The way everyone broke down the PUCC treatment really made it click for me too. What I found most helpful was the consistent theme that kept coming up - you're not creating duplicate deductions or going in circles. The business spent real money and gets a real deduction. The personal benefit you received is just a separate tax consequence that doesn't affect the business-side accounting. I'm curious though - for those of us just starting out with S-Corps, are there other common fringe benefit situations that work similarly to the vehicle example? I want to make sure I'm thinking about this correctly for other potential scenarios like home office use, company-paid cell phones, etc.

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Great question about other fringe benefits! Yes, many S-Corp fringe benefit situations follow this same principle. Company-paid cell phones are a perfect example - if the S-Corp pays for your phone and you use it partially for personal calls, the business deducts 100% of the phone expense, but you'd report the personal use portion as taxable income on your W-2. Home office is a bit different though - if you're an S-Corp owner-employee, you generally can't deduct home office expenses on the business return. Instead, you'd need to rent your home office space to the S-Corp at fair market value, then the S-Corp deducts the rent paid and you report the rental income personally. Other common examples that work like the vehicle situation: company-paid gym memberships with personal use, business meals where family joins, company-provided parking that you also use for personal trips. The pattern is always the same - legitimate business expense gets deducted, personal benefit gets reported as income, no double-dipping on deductions. The key is always maintaining good documentation to support the business vs. personal allocation percentages!

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This discussion has been incredibly enlightening! As a newcomer to S-Corp taxation, I was struggling with this exact same issue for my small marketing consultancy. The way everyone explained that you're not creating duplicate deductions really helped it click for me. I was making the same mistake as the original poster - thinking that adding the personal use to my W-2 somehow meant I needed to also deduct it as wages on the business side. But now I understand it's simply: the S-Corp deducts what it actually spent on vehicle expenses, and I separately pay tax on the personal benefit I received from that spending. One thing I'm still wrapping my head around - when calculating the personal use percentage, should I be using the IRS standard mileage rate or actual expenses? I've been tracking both my mileage and actual costs (gas, insurance, repairs), but I'm not sure which method works better for determining the value of the personal use benefit that goes on my W-2. Does anyone have experience with both methods? Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge - this is exactly the kind of practical guidance that's so hard to find elsewhere!

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Great question about the valuation methods! For determining the personal use value that goes on your W-2, you actually have a few IRS-approved options, and it's separate from how you calculate your business mileage deduction. For the W-2 fringe benefit value, you can use either: 1. The Annual Lease Value method (based on IRS tables in Publication 15-B) 2. The cents-per-mile method (using the current IRS rate) 3. The actual expense method (personal percentage of total vehicle costs) The cents-per-mile method is often easiest - you just multiply your personal miles by the IRS standard rate. However, for higher-value vehicles, the Annual Lease Value method might result in a lower taxable amount. What's important to understand is that this valuation choice is independent of how your S-Corp calculates its business vehicle deduction. The business can deduct actual expenses while you use the cents-per-mile method to value the personal benefit, or vice versa. The key is being consistent with whichever method you choose for the fringe benefit valuation. I'd recommend discussing with a tax professional which method works best for your specific situation, as it can vary based on vehicle value, personal vs. business mileage ratios, and total costs.

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This has been such a helpful thread for understanding PUCC! I'm a new S-Corp owner with a small plumbing business and was making the exact same mistake - thinking I needed to somehow "back out" the personal use from my vehicle deductions. The way everyone explained it finally made it click: the S-Corp legitimately spent money on vehicle expenses, so it gets the full deduction. The personal use portion isn't creating another deduction - it's just ensuring I pay personal income tax on the benefit I received. I've been overthinking this for months! My bookkeeper kept trying to explain it but I couldn't wrap my head around why it wasn't "double dipping." Now I understand that the business expense deduction and the personal income reporting are addressing two completely different tax issues. Quick question for those who've been through this - do most of you handle the W-2 adjustment at year-end, or do you try to track it monthly through payroll? I'm leaning toward the year-end approach since my personal vs. business usage varies quite a bit month to month.

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I'm glad this discussion helped clarify things for you too! As someone who's also relatively new to S-Corp taxation, I found the explanations here incredibly valuable. Regarding your question about timing - most small business owners I've spoken with handle the PUCC adjustment at year-end rather than monthly. It's much simpler administratively, especially when your usage patterns vary throughout the year like yours do. The key is maintaining good mileage logs throughout the year so you can accurately calculate your business vs. personal percentages at year-end. Then you can add the personal use value as a year-end payroll adjustment or include it directly on your W-2 as a fringe benefit. Monthly tracking would be more precise from a tax perspective, but for most small businesses, the administrative burden outweighs the benefits. Your payroll provider should be able to handle a year-end fringe benefit addition without any issues. Just make sure you're withholding the appropriate payroll taxes on that amount when you process it.

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This entire discussion has been a game-changer for my understanding of S-Corp vehicle taxation! I'm a new business owner with a small IT consulting firm, and I was stuck in the exact same mental loop as the original poster. What really helped me grasp the concept was the repeated emphasis that there's no "circular" accounting happening. The S-Corp spends real money on vehicle expenses and gets a legitimate business deduction for those actual expenditures. The personal use portion being added to my W-2 isn't creating a new wage expense deduction - it's simply ensuring I pay personal income tax on the benefit I received from the company's spending. I was getting confused because I kept thinking of the W-2 addition as somehow reducing the business deduction, but now I see they're completely separate tax treatments. The company deducts what it spent, and I pay tax on what I benefited from - no double counting either direction. Thank you to everyone who shared their experiences and explanations. This is exactly the kind of practical, real-world guidance that makes complex tax concepts finally make sense. I feel much more confident about handling this correctly going forward!

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I'm so glad this thread helped you break through the mental barrier too! As someone who just started my own S-Corp for my freelance graphic design business, I was experiencing that exact same "circular accounting" confusion. What really sealed the understanding for me was thinking about it in terms of cash flow: my S-Corp literally wrote checks for gas, insurance, and maintenance - those are real business expenses that deserve real business deductions. The fact that I personally benefited from some of that spending doesn't make those expenses any less real or legitimate from the business perspective. The personal use portion on my W-2 is just the tax system's way of making sure I don't get a "free ride" on the personal benefit. It's not creating or eliminating any business deductions - it's just properly allocating the tax consequences. I've been keeping a simple mileage log in my phone and plan to do the calculation at year-end like others mentioned. Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences - it's amazing how much clearer this becomes when explained in practical terms rather than just reading the tax code!

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I'm a newcomer to S-Corp taxation and this thread has been incredibly helpful! I was struggling with the exact same PUCC confusion for my small landscaping business. The breakthrough moment for me was understanding that the S-Corp's vehicle expense deduction and the personal income reporting are two completely separate tax issues. My company spent actual money on gas, insurance, and repairs - that's a legitimate $100 business expense that gets fully deducted. The fact that I used the vehicle for a weekend trip worth $20 doesn't change the business deduction. It just means I need to pay personal income tax on that $20 benefit. I was overthinking it by trying to somehow "net out" the personal portion from the business expenses. But there's no netting involved - the business keeps its full deduction for what it actually spent, and I separately report the personal benefit I received. One question for the group - I've been tracking my mileage manually in a notebook. Are there any apps or digital tools that make this easier while still meeting IRS requirements for contemporaneous records? I want to make sure I'm documenting everything properly but also streamline the process as much as possible. Thanks to everyone for sharing their knowledge - this is exactly what I needed to understand this properly!

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