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This situation with Pathward is like having someone hold your mail even though it's already been delivered to your mailbox. Technically, they're within their rights as a financial institution to hold deposits until the effective date, but it creates unnecessary anxiety for customers. I've analyzed several banking policies, and this practice is becoming less common as banks compete for customers. If you think about it, when Pathward holds these funds, they're essentially getting a short-term, interest-free loan from your money. I'd recommend documenting exactly when they received your deposit versus when they released it - if there's a pattern of excessive holds, you might have grounds for a complaint to the CFPB.
After dealing with this last year, I set up a separate account at a local credit union just for tax refunds. ๐ Might seem like overkill, but my credit union posts ACH transfers as soon as they receive them, sometimes 2-3 days before the official date. For a big refund, those extra days can make a difference when you're trying to pay bills!
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Does anyone know if this is just for tax refunds or do they do this with all govt deposits? Wondering if my VA payment next month will be held too smh
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To clarify some technical aspects of what's happening: When the IRS initiates an ACH transfer (Automated Clearing House), they include what's called an "effective entry date" in the transaction data. This is essentially an instruction to the receiving financial institution about when to post the funds to your account. While some banks choose to make funds available upon receipt rather than waiting for the effective date (especially credit unions and online banks), others like Pathward strictly adhere to this date. This practice is compliant with NACHA (National Automated Clearing House Association) rules, though consumer-friendly institutions often provide earlier availability as a customer benefit. The IRS generally sends these ACH transfers 1-2 business days before the intended deposit date to ensure timely processing.
This is really helpful information. I've been looking at the IRS refund schedule online and couldn't understand why some people with the same deposit date were getting their refunds earlier. Now I know it's all about which bank you use and their policies on ACH transfers.
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Based on the current processing times, amended returns are taking approximately 20 weeks (140 days) to process. You filed in June 2024, so you're at about 18-19 weeks now. You're very close to the expected completion timeframe. For reference, I filed an amended return on March 3rd and received processing confirmation on August 12th - exactly 162 days later. Your 2023 amended return should be completed before the 2024 filing season opens on January 23, 2025, so there shouldn't be any timing conflicts.
Omg I'm going through EXACTLY this right now and it's so frustrating! ๐ซ I think you should consider filing your 2024 taxes electronically as early as possible when the season opens. This way if there are any complications, you'll have more time to resolve them before the deadline. I've learned that paper-filed or amended returns create so many more headaches than e-filed returns. The electronic system processes much faster and has fewer errors. I'm DEFINITELY e-filing everything from now on after my amended return nightmare!
Good point about e-filing! Would you recommend using a tax professional next time or just careful DIY with good software?
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Thanks for this advice. I'm definitely planning to e-file early this year. I've learned my lesson about waiting until the last minute!
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Am I the only one who thinks these cycle codes are completely meaningless? I've had 0805 three years in a row and had totally different experiences each time: โข 2022: Refund in 14 days โข 2023: Refund in 35 days โข 2024: Still waiting after 27 days Seems like the IRS just assigns these randomly and they don't actually tell you anything useful about when you'll get paid.
I felt the EXACT same way until I learned more about how the IRS processing works! The codes aren't random but they're just one piece of the puzzle. So many other factors affect timing - what credits you claimed, verification needs, staffing at different processing centers. It's frustrating but there is a method to the madness! ๐ซ
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Has anyone determined if filing method impacts processing time within the same cycle code? My e-filed return with cycle 0805 seems to be moving slower than my spouse's identical cycle code after paper filing, which contradicts everything I've read.
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The cycle codes are actually quite predictable once you understand the IRS processing system. Isn't it interesting how the last two digits (05) indicate weekly processing that happens on Thursdays? And didn't you notice that the first two digits indicate which processing week of the year your return was assigned to? For 0805, that's the 8th week. The real question isn't whether the cycle code means anything, but rather why some returns within the same cycle get processed faster than others. The answer typically lies in the complexity of the return and which regional processing center handles it.
I think... I might have some information that could help. I'm not sure if this applies to everyone, but I noticed that my SoFi account sometimes shows deposits in the "Activity" section before they appear in my available balance. If you go to the Transactions tab, then filter by "Pending" transactions, you might see your refund there first. Also, I believe the IRS sends refunds in batches throughout the day, so even though your DDD is 2/24, the actual transmission might occur at different times during that 24-hour period. The technical term for this is the "FRB processing window" which determines when the Federal Reserve Bank processes the ACH transaction.
Success story here! Same situation with SoFi and a 2/24 DDD from last year. Here's what happened: โข Filed on February 3rd โข Got accepted same day โข WMR showed first bar for 2 weeks โข Transcript updated with 846 code and 2/24 DDD (Saturday) โข Money appeared in SoFi at 4:32am on MONDAY โข No pending transaction notification beforehand SoFi doesn't do early deposits like some other online banks, but they're reliable on the actual date or next business day. My experience has been consistent over 3 years with them. Just wanted to share so you know what to expect!
Has anyone actually received their refund BEFORE the DDD when using SBTPG? Last year my funds hit exactly on my DDD date, not a day sooner, despite seeing the IRS had released it earlier. I've experienced much faster processing with direct deposit to my own bank in previous years, but the convenience of having fees taken out of the refund got me this time.
I'm literally checking my bank account every hour!! ๐ซ This is so frustrating! My transcript shows the IRS sent it TWO DAYS AGO but SBTPG still says "pending" with no estimated deposit time. I'm so anxious because I have bills due tomorrow and was counting on this money. I don't trust these tax prep companies anymore - they're just using our refunds like interest-free loans for a few days! ๐ค
According to my records from the past 3 filing seasons, Pathward has deposited funds exactly 22-24 hours before the official DDD in 100% of cases. For a DDD of 3/15, you should see funds in your account between 9:00am-11:00am on 3/14 based on their standard processing window. They receive the funds from IRS approximately 36 hours before DDD, hold for their processing period of 12-14 hours, then release during their morning batch window which runs from 7:00am-11:00am Eastern time.
I'm supposed to get my refund soon too... Have you ever had them deposit earlier than the day before? I've heard some people saying they occasionally get it two days before, but I'm not sure if that's actually true or just wishful thinking.
Tbh I think SBTG is just terrible. Been using them for 2 yrs and still have probs every qtr. IMO they're just collecting interest on our $ before sending it to IRS. Wouldn't be surprised if they intentionally delay access until they've moved the funds. Govt should really look into these payment processors.
The login restriction is actually part of SBTG's fraud prevention protocol. Their Automated Clearing House (ACH) verification process requires full settlement of funds before enabling account access, which typically takes 2-4 business days depending on your financial institution. This isn't unique to SBTG - most tax payment processors implement similar security measures to prevent fraudulent transactions and payment reversals. The system isn't broken; it's operating as designed with security prioritized over convenience.
I get the security aspect, but they could at least send a confirmation email that your payment was received! The total lack of communication is what drives me crazy. My bank showed the payment went through days ago, but SBTG acts like I don't exist until they're good and ready.
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Let me clarify what the SBTPG trace number actually means: 1. First, the IRS approves your refund and assigns a DDD 2. Then, they notify SBTPG that funds will be sent on that date 3. SBTPG creates a trace number in their system to track your refund 4. On your DDD, the IRS sends the funds to SBTPG 5. SBTPG deducts fees, then forwards remaining amount to your bank 6. Your bank processes the deposit according to their schedule The trace number doesn't mean SBTPG has your money yet - just that they're expecting it on your DDD.
You're in the home stretch! When SBTPG shows a trace number, you're basically just waiting for the calendar to hit your DDD. One thing to watch for - make sure your SBTPG account shows the correct bank info. There's always those horror stories about refunds going to old closed accounts. I'd check that now while you're waiting!
It sounds like you're experiencing the classic "right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing" situation with the IRS systems. Think of WMR as the quick news reporter and transcripts as the thorough historian - one reports immediately while the other takes time to document everything properly. For amended returns specifically, the processing path is different from regular returns, which explains the disconnect you're seeing.
I think that's a really good way to explain it! So maybe it's sort of like the WMR is just giving a quick status update while the transcript is the official record that needs more verification? That makes sense why there might be a delay between them.
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Great explanation. Very clear. Makes perfect sense. The systems are separate. They update differently. Amended returns take longer. Always trust the transcript for final confirmation.
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Last year I had a similar situation that drove me crazy. My WMR showed completed but my transcript wasn't updated for almost two weeks. I called the IRS and they explained that amended returns go through a separate processing system. The WMR tool gets updated from one database while transcripts pull from another. In my case, the money actually arrived in my account even before the transcript updated! Just keep an eye on your bank account - you might be pleasantly surprised.
This happened to me too! Money showed up in my account three days before my transcript updated. The IRS computer systems seem to be running on different timelines - like they're in different time zones or something! ๐ Made me realize we shouldn't stress too much about the online tools.
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Eleanor Foster
Have you checked if Dave has any specific holds on tax refunds? Some digital banks place extended holds on government disbursements specifically - it's in their Terms of Service but buried deep. My bank had a 2-day "security verification period" for any deposit over $2,000 from government sources. Can you log into your Dave account and check for any pending transactions or contact their escalation team specifically?
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Lucas Turner
Dave implemented a new verification system on January 15, 2024, that adds a 24-48 hour review period for government deposits over $1,500. This isn't widely advertised, but it's mentioned in their updated terms. If your deposit was initiated on February 22, accounting for this verification period plus standard ACH processing time, you should see it available by February 27 at the latest.
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Kai Rivera
I would probably contact Dave again, but specifically ask to speak with their ACH department or a supervisor. Sometimes the frontline customer service representatives don't have visibility into pending transactions that haven't fully posted yet. In my experience, using the phrase "I need to speak with someone who can verify pending ACH transfers that might not be visible in the system yet" can get you to someone more helpful. If that doesn't work within 24 hours, you might need to consider filing a CFPB complaint, which often prompts faster action from financial institutions.
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Victoria Scott
This is good advice. Also worth noting that many digital banks have separate departments for ACH processing versus general customer service. The general CS reps often can only see what's in their customer-facing system, not the back-end processing queue.
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Daniel Rogers
Exactly right. When I had this exact issue with Dave last year, I specifically asked for their "ACH Research Team" and they found my deposit was actually in their system but flagged for manual review because it was over $3,500. They released it within 4 hours after I escalated.
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