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Heads up - don't forget state tax implications too! My S-Corp has owners in 3 different states and each state has different rules about estimated payments. Some require the S-Corp to make composite payments on behalf of non-resident shareholders, while others require each shareholder to file their own estimated payments. This created a huge mess for us at tax time last year because we didn't plan properly. Had to pay penalties in two states.
Ugh, I hadn't even thought about the state tax angle. We have owners in California, New York and Florida. Does anyone know how to handle this multi-state situation effectively?
Multi-state S-Corp taxation can be really tricky! For your situation with CA, NY, and FL owners, here's what you need to know: California typically requires the S-Corp to make composite payments for non-resident owners, OR the non-resident owners can elect to file their own CA returns. New York has similar composite payment options but the rules are different. Florida has no state income tax, so your FL owner is lucky there. The key is to check each state's specific S-Corp filing requirements early in the year. Some states have different deadlines for composite vs. individual estimated payments. You'll probably want to work with a multi-state tax specialist rather than trying to navigate this yourself - the penalties for getting it wrong can be substantial. I learned this the hard way with our multi-state partnership. Don't make the same mistake!
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet is the importance of establishing clear procedures early in the year for tracking each owner's quarterly payments. We learned this lesson the hard way when tax season came around and nobody could remember who had paid what. I'd recommend creating a shared spreadsheet or using accounting software to track each partner's quarterly payments throughout the year. Include columns for each owner's projected annual tax liability, quarterly payment amounts, actual payment dates, and any adjustments made based on updated income projections. Also, make sure your S-Corp provides regular profit updates to all owners (at least quarterly, preferably monthly if income is volatile). This allows each owner to adjust their estimated payments if the business is performing significantly better or worse than projected. The last thing you want is for someone to underpay all year because they were working off stale projections. Consider having a brief quarterly meeting where you review actual vs. projected income and discuss any needed adjustments to individual estimated payments. It takes maybe 30 minutes but can save everyone from penalties and surprises at tax time.
This is excellent advice! As someone who's new to S-Corp ownership, I hadn't even thought about the tracking aspect. Do you have any recommendations for specific accounting software that handles multi-owner S-Corp quarterly payment tracking well? Also, regarding those quarterly meetings you mentioned - do you typically have the S-Corp's accountant participate in those discussions, or is it more of an internal partner meeting? I'm wondering if having professional guidance during those quarterly reviews would be worth the extra cost.
Double check if your 1099-R has code J or T in Box 7. Those codes indicate a distribution for a first-time home purchase. If not, that might be part of the problem - the IRS doesn't know the purpose of your withdrawal.
This! My 1099-R had the wrong distribution code and it caused a huge mess. Had to get my brokerage to issue a corrected 1099-R with the right code. Worth checking.
I went through almost exactly the same situation last year! The key thing to understand is that the IRS penalty notice is likely wrong because they're missing the proper documentation showing what portion of your withdrawal was contributions vs. earnings. Here's what I learned from my experience: 1. You absolutely CAN withdraw Roth IRA contributions tax and penalty-free at any time - you were right about that 2. The problem is proving to the IRS which portion was contributions vs. earnings 3. Form 8606 is crucial - it tracks your basis (contributions) in the Roth IRA Since you've been contributing since 2008 and you're 42, your account has definitely been open for more than 5 years, which is great. This means even the earnings portion that qualifies under the first-time homebuyer exception should be completely tax-free. You'll need to: - File Form 8606 for 2023 showing your contribution history - File an amended return (1040-X) to properly report the distribution - Include documentation proving your total contributions over the years The scary notice from the IRS is likely just their automated system assuming the worst case scenario. Once you provide the proper documentation, most or all of that tax bill should disappear. Don't panic - this is fixable!
This is really reassuring to hear from someone who went through the exact same thing! I'm definitely feeling less panicked now. Quick question - when you filed the amended return, did you have to pay anything upfront or were you able to wait until the IRS processed everything? I'm worried they might expect payment on that original scary notice while I'm getting all the paperwork sorted out. Also, how long did it take for them to process your corrected forms? I'm hoping this doesn't drag on for months with interest accumulating.
Anyone else confused about what counts as "taxable" across state lines? I bought a laptop online last year and can't remember if I paid tax on it or not. Would that definitely count for use tax?
You should be able to check your email receipt to see if sales tax was charged. If not, then yes, a laptop would definitely be subject to use tax in your home state. Electronics are fully taxable in pretty much every state.
Just adding to what the other person said - online retailers like Amazon now collect sales tax for most states automatically. So check your receipt. If they didn't collect it, you'd owe use tax. However, if they collected sales tax for a different state than where you live, it gets complicated.
This is exactly the kind of situation that trips up so many people! Living on state lines makes tax filing way more complicated than it should be. For your grocery shopping, the good news is that many states exempt basic groceries from sales tax entirely, so you might not owe anything on those cross-border trips. But prepared foods, household items, and definitely online purchases are a different story. The key thing to remember is that use tax is really about making sure your home state gets its fair share when you buy things elsewhere. If you paid sales tax in the other state that's equal to or higher than your home state rate, you're usually good. It's only when you paid less (or nothing) that you owe the difference. Most states have made this easier by offering those lookup tables based on income that others mentioned. For someone spending $300-400/month on cross-border shopping, using the table is probably your best bet unless you made some really big purchases that would push your actual use tax way above the table amount. Don't stress too much about perfect record keeping for routine shopping - the states know this is impractical for most people, which is why they created these simplified methods.
This is really helpful! I'm new to dealing with use tax and have been stressing about it. One follow-up question - when you mention that states have lookup tables based on income, where exactly do I find that on my state's tax return? Is it usually clearly labeled as "use tax table" or something similar? I want to make sure I'm using the right method and not missing something obvious.
I'm in a very similar situation right now - collecting donations through my Zelle account for a coworker whose family was in a car accident. Reading through all these responses has been incredibly helpful, especially the specific advice about Form 8275 and the documentation requirements. One thing I want to add from my research: make sure you transfer the funds as quickly as possible after receiving them. The IRS looks at how long money stayed in your account when determining whether you had "control" over it. The faster you move it to the intended recipient, the stronger your case that you were just a conduit. Also, for anyone dealing with this situation, consider setting up the official fundraiser (GoFundMe, etc.) BEFORE you start collecting donations if possible. It's much cleaner from a tax perspective if people donate directly to the platform rather than going through your personal accounts first. @Nick - definitely keep every screenshot, text message, and email that shows the donations were intended for your sister, not you. The IRS will want to see evidence of intent if they ever question this.
This is such great advice about timing! I wish I had known about the "control" factor when I was dealing with a similar situation last year. I held onto donations for almost a week while figuring out how to set up the GoFundMe, and it definitely made my documentation more complicated. @Dana - your point about setting up the official fundraiser first is spot on. I learned this the hard way when my neighbor's medical bills started piling up and people just started Venmo-ing me money before I had anything organized. Would have saved so much paperwork hassle if I'd been proactive about it. For anyone reading this thread who might face this situation in the future: seriously consider just directing people to donate directly to established platforms from day one. The extra step of money flowing through your personal accounts creates tax complications that are totally avoidable with a little planning.
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with something similar where I collected about $8,500 through my personal Venmo for a neighbor's house fire, then transferred it all to their official fundraiser. One thing I want to emphasize that I learned from my accountant: keep a detailed spreadsheet showing EVERY transaction with dates, amounts, donor names (if available), and transfer details. The IRS wants to see a clear money trail that proves you never commingled these funds with your personal money or used them for anything else. Also, when you transfer the money to GoFundMe, make sure to do it in chunks that match your Venmo deposits as closely as possible. Don't just transfer one lump sum - it makes the paper trail harder to follow. I transferred mine in 3-4 batches over a few days, keeping screenshots of each transfer. @Nick - since you mentioned you kept detailed records, make sure those records include the PURPOSE of each donation if donors mentioned it in their Venmo messages. Having evidence that people explicitly stated the money was "for your sister's family" or "for the fire victims" really strengthens your case that this was never intended as income to you personally.
This is really solid advice about the spreadsheet documentation! I'm just starting to deal with a similar situation where I collected donations for a family whose mom was diagnosed with cancer. One question about the transfer timing - you mentioned doing it in chunks that match the Venmo deposits. Did you transfer each individual donation separately, or did you group similar amounts together? I have like 40+ small donations ranging from $25-200, so I'm wondering if transferring each one individually would be overkill or if that's actually what the IRS expects to see. Also, @Ethan, when you say keep donor names "if available" - what do you do when someone just sends money with no message or just their Venmo username? Should I be reaching out to ask people what the donation was for, or is it obvious enough from the context?
Jasmine Hernandez
Anyone have a recommendation for good tax software that handles self-employment taxes well? I've been using FreeFileWhatever but it gets confusing with all the schedules.
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Luis Johnson
ā¢I switched to TaxSlayer last year and it was great for my self-employment stuff. It walks you through all the Schedule C questions and automatically calculates your self-employment tax. Then shows how the deduction for half your SE tax affects your federal income tax. Saved me about $300 compared to what I paid with TurboBlaster the year before.
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Sean Flanagan
Just wanted to add something that might help with the quarterly payment calculations - the IRS safe harbor rule can be really useful for self-employed folks. If you pay at least 100% of last year's total tax liability (or 110% if your prior year AGI was over $150,000), you won't face underpayment penalties even if you end up owing more at filing time. This is especially helpful when your self-employment income varies throughout the year. You can use last year's numbers as a baseline for your quarterly payments and then adjust up or down based on how your current year income is tracking. Also, remember that your quarterly payments are due on the 15th of January, April, June, and September (not every three months like you might expect). The IRS has specific due dates that don't follow a regular quarterly calendar. One more tip - if you're just starting with self-employment, consider opening a separate savings account just for taxes. I transfer about 25-30% of each payment I receive into that account to cover both the self-employment tax and federal income tax. Makes it much easier to handle the quarterly payments and avoid scrambling for cash when they're due.
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Liam O'Donnell
ā¢This is really helpful advice about the safe harbor rule! I'm new to self-employment and didn't know about the 100%/110% rule. Quick question - when you say "total tax liability," does that include both the income tax AND self-employment tax from last year? Or just the income tax portion? Also, that tip about the separate savings account is gold. I've been just keeping everything in my main checking account and it's stressful trying to figure out how much I can actually spend vs. what I need to save for taxes. What percentage do you recommend for someone just starting out? I've heard anywhere from 25-35% depending on your income level.
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