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Adrian Hughes

UCC filing rejected - automobile security agreement debtor name mismatch with DMV records

Really frustrated here. Filed a UCC-1 last week for an automobile security agreement on a 2022 Ford F-150 and it got rejected by the Secretary of State. The rejection notice says there's a debtor name mismatch but I triple-checked everything against the loan docs. The borrower's name on the automobile security agreement is 'Michael J. Thompson' but apparently the DMV has him listed as 'Michael James Thompson' in their system. Now I'm stuck because the loan closed yesterday and we need this perfected ASAP. Has anyone dealt with this kind of automobile security agreement filing issue before? Do I need to amend the UCC-1 or start over completely? The collateral description references the VIN and year/make/model correctly so that's not the problem. Just this stupid name variation between what's on the automobile security agreement versus state records.

Ugh this exact thing happened to me last month with a car loan. Secretary of State systems are so picky about exact name matches. You'll probably need to refile the UCC-1 with the exact name format from DMV records. Check the title and registration first to see how they have it listed.

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Ian Armstrong

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This is why I always run a quick DMV search before filing anything on vehicle collateral. Saves so much headache later.

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Adrian Hughes

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Yeah I should have done that. The automobile security agreement was signed weeks ago though so now I'm worried about the name discrepancy between docs.

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Don't worry about the security agreement having different name format. UCC filing just needs to match state records for perfection. The underlying agreement is still valid.

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Eli Butler

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I've seen this so many times with automobile security agreements. The key is getting the debtor name exactly as it appears in the state's database, not necessarily how it's written on your loan documents. File a new UCC-1 with 'Michael James Thompson' and you should be good. The VIN in your collateral description will tie it all together.

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Adrian Hughes

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So I don't need to worry about the name being different between the UCC-1 and the actual automobile security agreement? That seems weird.

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Eli Butler

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Nope, UCC Article 9 cares about perfection against third parties, not matching your private loan docs. As long as the UCC matches state records, you're perfected.

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This is correct. I've had loans where the borrower signs as 'Mike' but we file UCC as 'Michael' to match DMV. Never been an issue.

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Lydia Bailey

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Been dealing with this stuff for years and name variations are the #1 cause of automobile security agreement UCC rejections. Here's what I learned - always verify the debtor name format in the state's system BEFORE filing. Most states have online lookup tools for this. Also, make sure your collateral description includes the VIN, year, make, model, and body type. Some states are getting pickier about automobile descriptions.

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Adrian Hughes

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Good point about the collateral description. Mine just says '2022 Ford F-150, VIN: 1FTFW1E5XNxxxxxx' - should I add more detail?

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Lydia Bailey

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That should be fine. VIN is the key identifier. Some attorneys add 'pickup truck' or 'crew cab' but it's not usually required.

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Mateo Warren

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I always include body type just to be safe. Had one filing questioned because 'F-150' could technically be different configurations.

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Sofia Price

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Honestly this is where technology can save you tons of headaches. I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool last year and it's caught so many name mismatches before filing. You just upload your automobile security agreement and UCC-1 draft, and it instantly flags inconsistencies. Would have saved you this rejection and refiling fee.

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Adrian Hughes

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Never heard of that but sounds useful. Does it check against state databases too?

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Sofia Price

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It verifies consistency between your documents and flags potential issues. For state database matching you'd still need to check separately, but it catches a lot of internal document problems.

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Alice Coleman

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Interesting. I've been manually comparing docs forever. How accurate is the name matching feature?

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Owen Jenkins

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this is so annoying!! why cant they just accept reasonable variations of names? Michael J vs Michael James is obviously the same person. the system is broken

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Lydia Bailey

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I get the frustration but there's actually good reason for strict name matching. Prevents confusion when there are multiple people with similar names.

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Owen Jenkins

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i guess but it makes filing automobile security agreements such a pain. especially when borrowers use nicknames on everything

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Eli Butler

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Yeah the system isn't perfect but consistency is important for lien searches. Better to be overly strict than miss a prior filing.

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Lilah Brooks

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Quick question - when you refile the UCC-1 with the corrected name, make sure to reference the original filing date in your records. Some lenders like to track when the security interest was first attempted to be perfected, even if the filing was rejected. Also, double-check that your automobile security agreement grants a security interest in the specific vehicle. Sounds obvious but I've seen deals where the security agreement language was too vague.

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Adrian Hughes

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Good point about tracking the original date. The automobile security agreement definitely covers the vehicle specifically - we use pretty standard language for auto loans.

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Lilah Brooks

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Perfect. Then you're just dealing with the administrative name issue, not any substantive problems with the security interest.

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I work with a lot of automobile security agreements and this name matching thing is getting worse. States are automating more of their UCC processing and the computer systems are less forgiving than human reviewers used to be. I keep a checklist now: 1) Verify debtor name in state system 2) Double-check VIN format 3) Review collateral description 4) Confirm filing fee calculation. Saves a lot of rejections.

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Adrian Hughes

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That's a great checklist. I'm definitely going to use that going forward. This rejection really caught me off guard.

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Yeah it's frustrating when you think you did everything right. But once you get the system down, automobile security agreement filings become pretty routine.

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Ian Armstrong

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Automation is definitely making things more strict. Used to be able to call the filing office and explain minor variations. Not anymore.

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Kolton Murphy

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Here's another tool that might help - I recently discovered Certana.ai's UCC document checker. You upload your automobile security agreement and proposed UCC-1 filing, and it instantly cross-references everything to catch name mismatches, missing collateral details, and other common errors. It's specifically designed for catching these kinds of issues before you file and get rejected.

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Adrian Hughes

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Two people mentioned this Certana thing now. Seems like it might be worth checking out for future filings.

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Kolton Murphy

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Yeah I wish I'd known about it earlier. Would have saved me several rejected filings and refiling fees over the years.

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I'm always skeptical of new tools but if it catches name issues like this, could be valuable. Manual document review is time-consuming.

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Evelyn Rivera

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Just wanted to add - make sure when you refile that you're using the current UCC-1 form. Some states updated their forms recently and will reject filings on old versions. Also, if this is for a dealership floor plan or similar, there might be additional requirements for automobile security agreements beyond the standard UCC-1.

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Adrian Hughes

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It's just a regular consumer auto loan, not dealer financing. But good point about form versions - I'll double-check I have the latest UCC-1.

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Evelyn Rivera

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Consumer auto loans are usually straightforward once you get the name right. Just make sure your security interest covers the specific vehicle.

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Julia Hall

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Update us when you refile! I'm curious if the corrected name version goes through without issues. I've got a similar automobile security agreement filing coming up next week and want to make sure I don't hit the same problem.

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Adrian Hughes

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Will do! Planning to refile tomorrow morning with the DMV name format. Hopefully it goes smoother this time.

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Julia Hall

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Fingers crossed! This thread has been really helpful for understanding the name matching requirements.

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Yeah this is exactly the kind of stuff that trips up people new to UCC filings. Experience teaches you all these little gotchas.

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