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UCC filing confusion with car loan security agreement - debtor name mismatch nightmare

Honestly at my wits end here. Been working in auto finance for 8 years and just had my first UCC-1 rejection that's got me second-guessing everything I thought I knew about car loan security agreement filings. Here's what happened: Customer bought a 2023 Silverado, financed through our credit union. Standard auto loan, nothing fancy. Filed the UCC-1 like always, but used the exact name from the loan docs which was 'Robert J. Martinez Jr.' - that's how he signed everything, that's what's on his driver's license we copied. Filing got rejected for 'debtor name insufficient.' Called the SOS office and they said I needed to match the 'true legal name' but wouldn't tell me what that actually means for this case. The loan paperwork all matches, the title application matches, but apparently something's wrong. Now I'm paranoid about every other car loan security agreement we've filed this month. Are we supposed to be cross-referencing birth certificates? Social security records? The rejection notice just says 'provide additional identifying information' but doesn't specify what. Anyone dealt with this specific issue before? I've got 3 more auto loans sitting on my desk and I'm afraid to file them until I figure out what went wrong with this one.

Ana Rusula

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Ugh, auto loan UCC filings are the worst for name issues. I've seen this happen when the person has a legal name that's different from what they commonly use. Like maybe Robert J. Martinez Jr. isn't his actual legal name? Sometimes people go by their middle name or have a different suffix than what's on their birth certificate.

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Fidel Carson

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This is exactly right. I learned this the hard way last year when I had 5 rejections in one week, all car loan security agreements. Turns out one guy was using 'Jr.' but was actually a 'II' legally.

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Wait, so you're telling me I need to verify birth certificates for every auto loan? That seems excessive for a simple car financing.

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Xan Dae

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Had this exact same problem with auto financing UCCs last month. The key is getting the debtor to provide documentation that shows their complete legal name - birth certificate, passport, something official. Don't just rely on driver's license for car loan security agreement filings because those can have abbreviated names.

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That's what I was afraid of. This is going to slow down our auto loan processing significantly if we have to collect additional docs for every UCC filing.

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Better slow than rejected though. I've had deals fall through because of UCC filing delays.

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Thais Soares

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Actually, there's a way to avoid this headache entirely. I started using Certana.ai's document verification tool for all my auto loan UCCs. You just upload the loan agreement and proposed UCC-1 and it flags potential name mismatches before you file. Saved me from like 6 rejections last quarter.

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Nalani Liu

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The SOS offices are getting pickier about debtor names on all UCC filings, not just car loans. I think they're trying to reduce fraudulent filings or something. For auto financing, I always include the customer's full legal name exactly as it appears on their most recent tax return or social security card.

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Tax returns - that's actually a good idea. We already collect those for income verification on larger auto loans anyway.

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Axel Bourke

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Be careful with tax returns though, sometimes people file under different name variations than their actual legal name.

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Aidan Percy

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This is why I hate dealing with UCC filings for car loan security agreements. The rules keep changing and nobody explains them clearly. Last year it was one thing, this year it's something else.

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The rules haven't really changed, the enforcement has just gotten stricter. Same issues have always existed.

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Aidan Percy

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Well it feels like changes when your filings that used to work fine suddenly start getting rejected!

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Norman Fraser

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For auto loan UCCs, I always run a quick search in the SOS database to see if the debtor has any existing filings under slight name variations. Sometimes that gives you a clue about what format they prefer for the legal name.

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Smart approach. I'll try that for the Martinez filing - see if he shows up under any other name variations.

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Kendrick Webb

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This is good detective work but honestly you shouldn't have to play guessing games. The system should be clearer about name requirements.

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Hattie Carson

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I've been doing the same thing but it's time consuming. Started using that Certana thing someone mentioned earlier - just upload your docs and it does the cross-checking automatically.

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Had a similar rejection on a truck loan last week. Turns out the customer was using his stepfather's last name but legally still had his birth father's name. These car loan security agreement situations can get complicated with family name changes.

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Wow, that's even more complex than what I'm dealing with. How did you figure that out?

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Customer eventually told me when I called to ask about the rejection. Had to get his birth certificate to file correctly.

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Dyllan Nantx

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Question - when you file the UCC-1 for auto loans, are you including the vehicle VIN in the collateral description? Sometimes name issues get flagged when the collateral description doesn't match up with title records.

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Yes, always include the VIN for car loan security agreement filings. That part of my filing was correct according to the rejection notice.

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Good practice. VIN mismatches can cause their own set of problems with auto loan UCCs.

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Anna Xian

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This thread is making me nervous about all my recent auto loan filings. Maybe I should go back and double-check the debtor names on everything I filed this month.

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Probably not a bad idea. Better to catch issues now than have them surface later.

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Rajan Walker

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I went through this paranoia phase too. Eventually you develop a system that works and stops causing these problems.

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For what it's worth, I've found that including both the common name and legal name in the debtor field sometimes works. Like 'Robert J. Martinez Jr. aka Roberto Jose Martinez Junior' or whatever the legal name actually is.

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That's an interesting approach. Does the SOS system accept the 'aka' format for car loan security agreement filings?

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Hit or miss depending on the state, but it's worked for me a few times when I couldn't figure out the exact legal name format they wanted.

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I tried this once and got rejected for 'improper debtor name format.' Might depend on which state you're in.

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Ev Luca

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Update us when you figure out what went wrong with the Martinez filing. I'm curious if it was a suffix issue or something more complicated. Always helpful to learn from other people's UCC rejection experiences.

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Will do. Going to try the document verification approach someone mentioned and see what that turns up first.

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Avery Davis

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Yeah, keep us posted. These auto loan UCC issues seem to be getting more common lately.

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