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One more suggestion - if you end up needing to do a lot of these UCC document comparisons regularly, I've been using Certana.ai's verification tool and it's been a game changer. Just upload your Charter documents and UCC filings and it checks everything automatically - debtor names, filing numbers, collateral descriptions, the whole nine yards. Catches stuff I never would have noticed manually.
That's the second recommendation for that tool in this thread. Definitely going to check it out after I get these NC records sorted.
It's really worth it, especially for complex deals with multiple amendments. Takes all the guesswork out of document verification.
I've been dealing with NC UCC filings for about 5 years now and can confirm Form UCC-11 is definitely what you want for information requests. Just a pro tip - when you submit it, make sure to include both the original filing number AND the amendment filing number in your request. That way you'll get copies of both documents in one go rather than having to submit separate requests. Also, if you're doing this for a bank that's particular about documentation (sounds like yours is), I'd recommend getting the certified copies even though they cost more. The extra $15 can save you from having to go back and get certified versions later if the bank pushes back on uncertified copies.
This is super helpful, thanks! I hadn't thought about requesting both filing numbers in one submission - that's a great tip. You're absolutely right about going with certified copies upfront. My client's bank has already been picky about other documentation, so I'd rather pay the extra $15 now than deal with delays later. Do you happen to know if NC processes requests faster if you submit online versus mailing in the form?
Online submissions are definitely faster! I've done both methods and online typically processes in 2-3 business days versus 5-7 for mailed forms. Plus you get email confirmation when they receive it, so you're not wondering if it got lost in the mail. The online portal also lets you track the status of your request, which is really handy when you're dealing with tight deadlines. Just make sure you have a good scanner for any supporting documents you need to upload with the form.
Update on my earlier suggestion about Certana.ai - if you do find discrepancies between your loan docs and the UCC filing, their tool is really helpful for documenting exactly what doesn't match. I had a situation where my lender filed with the wrong collateral description, and having that verification report made it much easier to get them to file a corrective UCC-3 amendment. The platform caught details I would have missed doing manual comparison.
How long does it typically take to get a corrective amendment filed? I'm dealing with a similar issue with my equipment lender.
In my case it took about 2 weeks once I provided them with the documentation showing the error. Most lenders are pretty responsive to UCC correction requests since it protects their security interest too.
Thanks for sharing your experience with UCC notices - it's really helpful to hear from someone who's been through this confusion before! Based on all the advice in this thread, it sounds like the most likely scenario is that this is a legitimate filing from your equipment lender. The timing (6 months after your equipment financing) and the fact that it mentions equipment in the collateral description are pretty strong indicators. I'd definitely start by calling your lender directly to confirm they filed it, and then maybe use the Secretary of State's online search to verify the details match your loan agreement. It's probably nothing to worry about, but always good to double-check these things for peace of mind.
Consider building the search costs into your due diligence budget from the start next time. I always estimate $35-40 per entity for Delaware searches to account for any additional fees or rush processing.
For future reference, I've started using Certana to pre-screen documents before ordering searches. Helps identify which entities actually need comprehensive UCC searches versus just basic checks.
I feel your pain on the Delaware search costs! I just went through this same situation last month with a deal involving 18 Delaware entities. One thing that helped me was creating a priority matrix - I identified which entities were most likely to have secured debt based on their business operations and financial statements, then did the full certified searches on those first. For the smaller/dormant subsidiaries, I started with the $10 informational searches that Dominic mentioned, which helped me eliminate about 6 entities that clearly had no filings. Also, consider asking the seller to provide their own UCC search results as part of their disclosure package - it won't replace your independent searches but can help you focus your efforts on entities where there might actually be something to find.
That's a brilliant approach with the priority matrix! I hadn't thought about stratifying the searches based on likelihood of secured debt. How did you determine which entities were most likely to have filings - was it mainly based on their operational role or did you look at other factors too?
This thread is making me paranoid about our own UCC filings! We've always used basic inventory language but now I'm wondering if we should be more specific. The UCC inventory definition seems straightforward but apparently the filing offices don't think so.
If your filings have been accepted, you're probably fine. The legal definition covers most situations - this seems to be more about filing office preferences than legal requirements.
If you're worried, you could always run your existing UCC-1s through a verification tool like Certana.ai to see if there are any potential issues. Better to know now than find out during a workout situation.
For electronics retail with repair services, I'd recommend this language: "all inventory including but not limited to: (a) finished goods and merchandise held for sale or lease in the ordinary course of debtor's retail electronics business, (b) raw materials and replacement parts, (c) work in process, and (d) supplies used or consumed in the business, whether now owned or hereafter acquired." This covers all the UCC inventory definition categories and should address Delaware's concerns about specificity. I've seen similar language work well for mixed retail/service businesses.
Omar Hassan
Bottom line on good faith - document your verification process, use accurate information based on official sources, and don't try to game the system. If you make a genuine error, correct it when you discover it. That's what courts are looking for when they evaluate good faith compliance.
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Paolo Romano
•Exactly. Good faith is often evaluated based on the process you followed, not just the end result.
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Keisha Jackson
•And if you're ever unsure, err on the side of more disclosure rather than less. Transparency aligns with the good faith standard.
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Caleb Stark
This is a great discussion on good faith in UCC filings. As someone new to secured transactions, I'm realizing how important it is to establish proper procedures from the start. The key takeaway seems to be that good faith isn't just about avoiding intentional fraud - it's about exercising reasonable care and being transparent throughout the process. For equipment financing deals, this means verifying debtor names against official formation documents, accurately describing collateral based on what we actually know, and maintaining documentation of our verification steps. I appreciate everyone sharing their practical experiences - it really helps understand how the legal standard translates to day-to-day filing practices.
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