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Harper Hill

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This whole thread is making me paranoid about my own UCC filings. How do you even keep track of everything when the systems keep changing?

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Liam Brown

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Best practice is to keep copies of everything and set calendar reminders for continuation deadlines. Don't rely on the state systems to track things for you.

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Harper Hill

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Makes sense. Sounds like a full time job though.

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Emma Davis

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Have you considered that this might be a federal UCC filing rather than state-level? The document number format and the "WA DC" designation could indicate it was filed with a federal agency or through the USPTO for intellectual property collateral. Try checking the Library of Congress or Patent and Trademark Office databases - they sometimes handle specialized UCC filings that don't show up in regular state searches. Also, given the timing around 2012, this could have been related to Dodd-Frank compliance filings that had different numbering systems.

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Amina Bah

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That's a really interesting angle I hadn't considered. The federal filing possibility makes a lot of sense given the unusual format. Do you know if there's a specific search portal for those types of filings, or would I need to contact each agency directly? The Dodd-Frank timing connection is intriguing too - this property deal does involve some complex commercial lending structures that might have triggered those requirements back then.

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Arjun Kurti

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Update for anyone following this - I ended up using the document verification tool someone mentioned earlier and it caught that our acquisition agreement had the LLC name as "Mountain View Equipment, LLC" (with comma) but the original UCC-1 had it as "Mountain View Equipment LLC" (no comma). That tiny difference would have caused major problems with the assignment. Filed a quick amendment to standardize the name first, then did the assignment. Everything processed smoothly after that.

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Arjun Kurti

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Amendment took 2 days to process, then the assignment went through the next business day. Total about a week from start to finish, which worked perfectly with our closing timeline.

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Margot Quinn

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This is exactly why I always run document checks on acquisitions now. The name matching has to be perfect or the whole chain of title gets messed up.

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Jessica Nolan

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm new to UCC filings and dealing with my first acquisition scenario. One thing I'm still unclear on - when you file the UCC-3 assignment, do you need to get any kind of consent or signature from the original debtor (Mountain View Equipment LLC), or can the new secured party (Summit Industrial Holdings) file the assignment unilaterally? I'm assuming since you acquired the company you have the authority, but want to make sure I'm not missing any required notifications or approvals from the debtor side.

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Great question! Since you acquired Mountain View Equipment LLC, you typically don't need separate consent from the debtor to file the assignment - your acquisition agreement should give you the authority to handle their existing UCC filings. However, I'd recommend checking with your acquisition attorney to make sure the purchase agreement specifically covers transfer of secured obligations and UCC filings. Some deals have specific language about how existing liens and security interests are handled. The assignment is really between secured parties (transferring from whoever the original secured party was to Summit Industrial Holdings), so the debtor's signature isn't usually required on the UCC-3 form itself.

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The Texas SOS website has a fee schedule that's pretty current if you want the official breakdown. But like everyone said, it's basically $15 across the board for most filing types. The consistency actually makes it easier to budget than some other states.

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Dmitry Volkov

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Still wish they offered some kind of volume discount for law firms or finance companies that do hundreds of filings per year.

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Ava Thompson

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Have you tried reaching out to the SOS office about volume discounts? Might be worth asking even if it's not advertised.

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Lucy Taylor

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I've been dealing with the same Texas fee increases - it definitely adds up when you're doing multiple filings. One thing that's helped me manage costs is batching my filings strategically. While there's no official bulk discount, I try to prepare all my UCC-3 continuations at once so I can catch any errors before submitting. For your agricultural equipment deals, make sure you're being specific with the collateral descriptions - "John Deere Model 6120R Tractor, Serial #ABC123" rather than just "farm equipment." This reduces the chance of rejections which would cost you another $15 per filing. Also, I've started setting up email reminders 6 months before continuation deadlines to avoid any last-minute rush fees. The $15 per filing is frustrating but still cheaper than losing perfection!

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Darcy Moore

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One thing to watch out for with NC - they're pretty strict about the continuation statement format. Make sure you're using the current UCC-3 form and that all required fields are completed exactly as specified in the statute.

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Abby Marshall

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Good point about the form version. Is there a specific place to get the current NC UCC-3 form?

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Darcy Moore

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The NC Secretary of State website has the current forms. They update them periodically so always download fresh rather than using old saved versions.

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Dana Doyle

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I've been through this exact situation with mixed collateral in NC. The statute treats equipment and fixtures the same for continuation purposes. Your main focus should be on timing and accuracy rather than worrying about different rules for different collateral types.

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Dana Doyle

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Yeah, the real estate aspects are separate from the UCC continuation requirements. The UCC-1 fixture filing still follows standard Article 9 continuation rules.

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Liam Duke

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This is exactly the kind of confusion that makes me nervous about handling these filings. Too many moving parts.

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Diego Chavez

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I'd also recommend documenting the business rationale for filing early in your deal notes. If you ever face a challenge later (bankruptcy trustee, competing creditor, etc.), having clear documentation that shows this was a legitimate business decision to preserve priority in a competitive lending environment can be helpful. Also make sure your malpractice insurance covers UCC filing issues - some policies have specific exclusions around secured transaction work.

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Daniel Rogers

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Great advice about documenting the business rationale. I hadn't thought about the malpractice insurance angle - that's definitely something to check on. Better to find out now if there are coverage gaps rather than when you need it. The documentation piece is smart too, especially with bankruptcy trustees getting more aggressive about challenging these types of filings.

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Gemma Andrews

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Thanks everyone for the detailed responses - this has been really helpful. Based on what you've all shared, it sounds like filing the UCC-1 early is workable but comes with risks I need to manage carefully. The key points I'm taking away are: 1) Make sure the term sheet provides adequate authorization for filing, 2) Keep the collateral descriptions consistent between the UCC-1 and eventual security agreement, 3) Get the security agreement finalized quickly to minimize the gap, and 4) document the business rationale for early filing. I'm also going to look into that Certana.ai tool a few of you mentioned for cross-checking documents. Going to proceed with the filing but with much more attention to these details than I originally planned. Really appreciate the practical experience you've all shared!

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Oscar Murphy

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This is a great summary of best practices! As someone new to UCC filings, I really appreciate seeing how experienced practitioners handle these timing challenges. One question - when you mention keeping collateral descriptions consistent, how specific should the UCC-1 description be if you're still negotiating the exact equipment list in the security agreement? Should I err on the side of being more general in the UCC-1 to avoid mismatches, or be as specific as possible based on what we know now?

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