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Lena Kowalski

What to say to Washington ESD unemployment when fired - need help with application

I got terminated from my job last week and I'm really nervous about filing for unemployment. My manager said it was for 'performance issues' but honestly I think they just wanted to cut costs. I know Washington ESD is going to ask why I was fired when I apply. What should I tell them? Should I be completely honest or will that hurt my chances? I'm worried they'll deny my claim if I say I was fired for performance. Has anyone been in this situation before?

Be honest but brief. Don't volunteer extra information that could hurt you. Just stick to the basic facts.

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What counts as 'basic facts' though? Do I need to explain everything that led up to it?

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No, just answer what they ask directly. Don't elaborate unless they specifically ask for more details.

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I went through this exact thing 6 months ago. Washington ESD will ask for your reason for separation on the initial claim. You can put 'discharged' and then explain briefly in the comments section. They'll contact your employer too so make sure your story matches what your employer will say. The key is whether it was misconduct or just poor performance - there's a big difference in how Washington ESD treats those.

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How do I know if what I did counts as misconduct? They said I wasn't meeting deadlines but I was trying my best.

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Misconduct has to be willful or deliberate. If you were genuinely trying but struggling with performance, that's usually not misconduct. But they'll investigate it either way.

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This is why I hate the whole system. They make you feel like a criminal just for losing your job.

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I had such a hard time getting through to Washington ESD when I had questions about my termination situation. Spent hours on hold just to get disconnected. Finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that actually got me connected to a real person at Washington ESD within minutes. They have a video demo showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ. Made such a difference when I needed to explain my separation details to an actual agent.

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Never heard of that before. How much does it cost?

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They don't really focus on pricing on their site, more about getting you connected quickly. Was worth it for me since I couldn't waste weeks trying to get through.

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I might need this if my claim gets complicated. Thanks for sharing!

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whatever you do dont lie because they WILL find out when they contact your employer

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Yeah I definitely won't lie. I'm just worried about how to phrase things.

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Exactly. My friend lied about why he was fired and got disqualified for fraud. Took months to sort out.

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The Washington ESD separation questionnaire will ask specific questions about your termination. They want to know if you violated company policy, if you were warned about performance, if you were absent or late, etc. Answer each question truthfully but don't write a novel. Keep it factual and professional.

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Do they always send that questionnaire? I filed yesterday and haven't gotten anything yet.

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Not always immediately. Sometimes it comes later if there's a question about your separation. Your employer gets one too.

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I never got one and my claim was approved fine. Depends on the situation I guess.

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The whole system is designed to trip you up. They act like everyone's trying to scam them when most of us just lost our jobs through no fault of our own. Performance issues my ass - companies just use that as an excuse to avoid paying severance.

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I get the frustration but getting angry won't help OP's situation.

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True, just venting. But seriously the process is way more stressful than it needs to be.

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I'm definitely feeling that stress right now. Just want to make sure I don't mess this up.

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If you think you were really fired unfairly you might want to talk to an employment lawyer too. Sometimes there's wrongful termination issues that could affect your UI claim.

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I thought about that but lawyers are expensive and I just want to focus on getting unemployment for now.

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Lot of employment lawyers do free consultations. Might be worth a quick call.

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Same thing happened to my coworker last year. She was honest about being fired for performance and still got approved. The key was showing she wasn't doing anything intentionally wrong.

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That's reassuring. I really was trying my best, just couldn't keep up with their unrealistic expectations.

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Document that if you can. Any emails about workload or deadlines could help if they question your claim.

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Good point about documentation. Keep records of everything related to your termination.

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been there done that. just tell the truth and dont overthink it. most performance firings still qualify for unemployment unless you were like stealing or something obvious

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Thanks, trying not to overthink but it's hard when you need the money.

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exactly. as long as you werent doing anything intentionally bad youll probably be fine

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One more thing - if your claim does go into adjudication because of the termination, that's when having a way to reach Washington ESD becomes really important. The Claimyr service I mentioned earlier was a lifesaver during my adjudication process. Being able to actually talk to someone and explain my situation properly made all the difference in getting it resolved quickly.

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How long does adjudication usually take? I'm hoping to avoid that whole mess.

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Can be anywhere from 2-8 weeks depending on complexity. That's why being able to reach them directly helped so much.

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I had adjudication take 3 months during peak COVID times. Hopefully it's faster now.

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Update: I submitted my claim this morning and put 'discharged for performance issues' as my separation reason. Kept the explanation short and factual like you all suggested. Now just waiting to see what happens. Fingers crossed!

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Good job keeping it simple. That was the right approach.

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Hope it goes smoothly for you! Keep us posted.

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Rooting for you. The waiting is the worst part.

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For anyone else reading this thread - remember that even if you're initially denied for misconduct, you can appeal. I've seen plenty of performance-related denials get overturned on appeal when people can show they were trying to do their job.

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Good to know there's a backup plan if needed. Hopefully it won't come to that.

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Appeals can take forever though. Better to get it right the first time if possible.

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also make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even if your initial claim is being reviewed. dont stop filing or you could lose benefits for those weeks

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Wait, I can file weekly claims before my initial claim is approved?

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yes you should keep filing every week. if you get approved theyll backpay you for those weeks

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This is correct. Never stop filing your weekly claims unless you're specifically told to.

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honestly the whole fired vs quit thing is way overblown. most people who get fired for regular performance stuff still get unemployment. its the people who get fired for stealing or fighting or not showing up who get denied

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Tell that to my anxiety while I'm waiting to hear back from Washington ESD lol

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fair enough. the waiting does suck

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One thing to remember is Washington ESD looks at the reason for termination AND your work history. If you were a good employee for years before having performance issues, that usually works in your favor.

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I was there for 2 years with good reviews until the last few months. Hopefully that helps.

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That should definitely help your case. Shows the performance issues weren't a pattern of misconduct.

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The key thing Washington ESD looks at is whether your actions were 'willful' or 'wanton disregard' of your employer's interests. Struggling with performance because of workload or lack of training usually doesn't meet that standard. You should be fine.

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That's exactly my situation - was overwhelmed with workload and never got proper training on the new systems.

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Perfect. That's not misconduct, that's your employer failing to set you up for success.

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Make sure to mention the training issue if they ask for more details. That's important context.

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Just to close the loop on the Claimyr thing - I know some people are skeptical about third-party services, but when I was dealing with my termination situation, being able to get through to Washington ESD immediately instead of spending days trying was worth every penny. Sometimes you just need to talk to a real person to get things sorted out properly.

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I checked out their site and the video demo. Looks legit, might try it if I run into issues.

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Bookmarking it just in case. Hopefully won't need it but good to have options.

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final advice - when you talk to washington esd (whether on phone or in writing) be respectful and professional. getting defensive or angry will not help your case even if you feel justified

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Good reminder. I'm pretty frustrated about the whole situation but I'll keep it professional.

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Easier said than done when they're asking you to justify losing your job, but you're right.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice and support. I feel a lot more confident about my claim now. Will update when I hear back from Washington ESD!

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You got this! Sounds like you handled it the right way.

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Good luck! Hope it all works out smoothly.

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Keep us posted. Your situation will probably help other people who find this thread.

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