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Can you collect Washington ESD unemployment if you're fired from your job?

I just got terminated from my job last week and I'm trying to figure out if I can even apply for unemployment benefits. My manager said I was let go for performance issues but I think it was really because they're cutting costs. I've been working at this company for 2 years and never had any formal write-ups or warnings. Does Washington ESD deny claims if you're fired instead of laid off? I'm really stressed about this and need to know if it's even worth applying.

Yes, you can absolutely file for unemployment even if you were fired! The key is whether it was for 'misconduct' or not. Performance issues usually don't count as misconduct unless it was willful or repeated after warnings. Since you had no prior warnings, that works in your favor.

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That's reassuring to hear. Should I mention the part about questioning my supervisor's decisions when I file my claim?

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Be honest but factual. Focus on the performance issues they cited rather than workplace conflicts. Washington ESD will contact your employer anyway to get their side.

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You can definitely apply for unemployment even if you were fired. Washington ESD looks at the reason for termination. If you were fired for misconduct, that's disqualifying. But if it was performance-related or they said budget cuts, you should be eligible. The key is whether it was willful misconduct or just not being a good fit.

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That's a relief to hear. They said performance but honestly I think they just needed to reduce headcount. Should I mention that when I file?

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Be honest about what happened but focus on the facts. If they said performance, that's what you report. Washington ESD will contact your employer anyway to verify the separation reason.

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File your claim immediately! Don't wait around wondering if you qualify. Let Washington ESD make that determination. I was fired from my last job for allegedly being late too often (which wasn't even true) and I still got approved for benefits.

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How long did it take for them to approve your claim? I'm worried about paying rent next month.

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It took about 3 weeks but that was because my employer contested it. If they don't contest yours it could be faster.

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I went through this same situation last year. Got fired for 'performance issues' but really they were just downsizing. Filed for unemployment and it took about 3 weeks for approval. Washington ESD did call my old employer to verify, but my claim was approved. The main thing is it wasn't misconduct like stealing or breaking rules.

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Did you have any issues during the process? I'm worried they might deny it since I wasn't technically laid off.

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No issues at all. Being fired for performance is different from being fired for misconduct. You should be fine as long as you weren't breaking company policies.

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This is actually a really common situation. I've helped several people with similar cases. Washington ESD distinguishes between misconduct and non-misconduct terminations. Performance issues, not meeting expectations, or even attendance problems that aren't willful usually don't disqualify you. The employer has to prove it was misconduct.

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What exactly counts as misconduct though? I'm in a similar boat and worried about my situation.

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Misconduct is things like theft, violence, deliberate violation of company policies, or repeatedly refusing to do your job. Poor performance or not meeting goals isn't misconduct unless you were deliberately doing a bad job.

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Definitely apply! I was fired from my last job for 'poor performance' and got approved for unemployment. The worst they can do is say no, but from what you described it sounds like you have a good case. Washington ESD is pretty fair about these situations. Just file online and be honest about what happened.

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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm going to file today. How long did it take to hear back?

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About 2-3 weeks for me. They contacted my employer pretty quickly and then approved my claim. Just make sure you keep filing your weekly claims even while it's pending.

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The good news is that Washington ESD has a pretty reasonable standard for misconduct. They define it as a willful violation of company policy or deliberate disregard of your job duties. Poor performance alone usually doesn't qualify as misconduct. However, if you've been struggling to reach Washington ESD by phone to file your claim, I recently discovered Claimyr (claimyr.com) which helped me get through to an actual agent. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ that shows how it works.

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Thanks for the info! I'll check out that Claimyr thing if I can't get through to Washington ESD on my own.

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Wait, what exactly is Claimyr? Is it some kind of service that helps you call Washington ESD?

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Yeah, it's a service that basically calls Washington ESD for you until they get through, then connects you to the agent. Super helpful when the lines are always busy.

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I got fired two months ago for supposedly having a bad attitude but really my manager just didn't like me. Still got my unemployment approved! The trick is to be completely honest about what happened but don't admit to any wrongdoing. Stick to the facts.

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Did your employer try to fight your claim at all?

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They did initially but didn't follow through with documentation so Washington ESD sided with me. Most employers don't want to spend time on unemployment hearings.

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If you're having trouble getting through to Washington ESD to check on your claim status, I recently discovered this service called Claimyr that helps you actually reach an agent. They have a website at claimyr.com and there's a demo video at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Saved me hours of calling and getting busy signals.

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That's interesting. I haven't filed yet but good to know there are options if I can't get through.

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I used Claimyr too when my claim got stuck in adjudication. Really helped me get answers quickly instead of waiting weeks for a callback.

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Whatever you do, don't lie on the application. Washington ESD will find out the real reason you were fired when they contact your employer. If there's a discrepancy, that could hurt your case. Just be truthful about what happened.

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Absolutely. I'm planning to be completely honest about everything.

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Good advice. Honesty is always the best policy with Washington ESD.

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ugh the whole system is so confusing. why do they make it so hard to figure out if you qualify or not?? just file the claim and see what happens I guess

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It's actually not that complicated once you understand the basic rules. The Washington ESD website has pretty clear guidelines about misconduct vs. performance issues.

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maybe for you but I've been trying to understand this stuff for weeks and still confused

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File your weekly claim as soon as possible even while your initial claim is being processed. A lot of people don't realize you need to file every week to maintain your eligibility. I made that mistake and had to backdate several weeks.

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Good point! I'll make sure to do the weekly claims right away. How do you file those - is it online too?

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Yes, you file weekly claims online through your Washington ESD account. Just make sure you do it every week even if your main claim is still pending.

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I'm going through something similar right now. Got fired two weeks ago for 'not meeting expectations' but I think it was really retaliation for complaining about working conditions. Filed for unemployment and it's been in adjudication for a week now. This whole process is so stressful.

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Ugh, that sounds awful. I hope your claim gets approved soon. It's so unfair how they can just fire you and then you have to fight for benefits.

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If you think it was retaliation, you might want to document everything. That could help your case if they try to claim misconduct.

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The unemployment system is such a joke. They make you jump through hoops even when you're clearly eligible. I was denied initially when I got fired and had to appeal. Took two months to get approved. The whole system is designed to discourage people from claiming benefits.

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That's really discouraging to hear. I'm hoping my case is more straightforward.

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Don't let that scare you. Most cases are approved without issues. The system works better than people think.

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The most important thing is documenting everything from your termination. Get a copy of your termination letter, any performance reviews, emails, whatever you can. If your employer contests your claim, you'll need evidence.

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I only got a verbal termination, no paperwork. Is that going to hurt my case?

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Not necessarily. Write down everything you remember - date, time, who was there, exactly what was said. That's still documentation.

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Been there! Got fired for 'performance' three months ago and my claim was approved no problem. Washington ESD is actually pretty reasonable if you weren't fired for misconduct. Just file as soon as possible because benefits don't start until you apply.

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Thanks, that's reassuring. I'm definitely filing today.

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Yeah, don't wait. The sooner you file, the sooner you can start receiving benefits if approved.

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same thing happened to my brother last year. got fired for performance but still got unemployment. took forever to get through to someone at Washington ESD though

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How long did it take him to reach someone?

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like 2 weeks of trying every day. finally got through at like 7am one morning

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Just wanted to add that even if your claim gets denied initially, you can appeal. I had to appeal my denial and won. The appeals process is pretty fair and they look at all the evidence. Don't give up if the first decision isn't in your favor.

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Good to know there's an appeals process. Hopefully I won't need it but it's comforting to know it exists.

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The appeals process is actually really thorough. They give you a chance to present your side of the story.

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Quick question - when you file, do you need any special documentation from your employer? I'm in a similar situation and want to make sure I have everything ready.

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You don't need anything from your employer to file. Washington ESD will contact them directly. Just have your basic employment info ready - dates, wages, reason for separation.

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Perfect, thank you. That makes it much easier.

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If you're having trouble reaching Washington ESD by phone to ask questions about your specific situation, that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier really does work. I was skeptical at first but it saved me hours of calling. Much better than sitting on hold for 2+ hours only to get disconnected.

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How much does something like that cost though? I'm already strapped for cash being unemployed.

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I think it's worth it considering how much time it saves, but you can check their website for details. For me, getting through to resolve my claim issue was priceless.

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I was fired for 'attitude problems' last year and still got approved for unemployment. The key is they have to prove it was deliberate misconduct, not just personality conflicts or performance issues. Sounds like you have a solid case.

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That's really helpful to know. I feel much more confident about applying now.

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Attitude problems are usually not considered misconduct unless it involved harassment or insubordination.

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Been through this exact situation. Got fired for 'insubordination' which was really just me standing up for myself. Filed for unemployment anyway and got approved after about a month. The key is that Washington ESD looks at the whole picture, not just what your employer claims.

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A whole month? That's a long time to wait for benefits.

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Yeah but they paid me retroactively from when I first filed. So I didn't lose any money, just had to wait longer to get it.

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File online at esd.wa.gov as soon as possible. Don't overthink it. Answer the questions honestly and let Washington ESD determine if you qualify. The worst thing that can happen is they say no, but at least you tried.

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True, nothing to lose by trying. I'll file tonight.

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Good luck! Remember to keep filing your weekly claims even while waiting for the initial decision.

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If you end up needing to contact Washington ESD about your claim, I had good luck with Claimyr. It's a service that helps you get through to an actual person instead of waiting on hold forever. Really saved me time when I needed to check on my claim status.

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I'll keep that in mind. Hopefully the process goes smoothly but it's good to know there are options.

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I used Claimyr when my claim was taking too long. Much better than spending hours on hold.

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Whatever you do, don't let your former employer intimidate you out of filing. They might tell you that you won't qualify but that's not their decision to make. I had a boss try to convince me not to file after he fired me - glad I didn't listen to him!

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My former supervisor did say something about me 'probably not qualifying' when he fired me. Now I'm wondering if he was just trying to discourage me.

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Exactly! Employers sometimes try to discourage people from filing because it can affect their unemployment tax rates. Don't let them scare you off.

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I'm dealing with something similar right now. Got terminated three weeks ago for allegedly violating company policy but I think it was retaliation for filing a complaint with HR. Still waiting to hear back on my unemployment claim.

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That sounds like wrongful termination. Have you considered talking to a lawyer?

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Yeah I'm looking into that too. But first I just want to make sure I can get unemployment benefits to pay my bills.

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quick question - do you have to be looking for work while your initial claim is being processed or only after it's approved?

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You should start looking for work right away and keep track of your job search activities. Washington ESD requires proof that you're actively seeking employment.

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ok thanks. wasn't sure if that started immediately or after approval

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The unemployment system in this state is such a mess. They make it nearly impossible to reach anyone by phone and the website is confusing. No wonder people get frustrated and give up on filing claims they're entitled to.

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That's why services like Claimyr exist though. Sometimes you need help navigating the bureaucracy.

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I guess. Just seems wrong that you might need to pay extra just to access services you're already entitled to.

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For what it's worth, I got fired from my last job for excessive tardiness (which was partially true, I'll admit) and still qualified for benefits. The standard for misconduct is pretty high - it has to be willful and work-related.

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How many times were you late before they fired you?

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Probably 8-10 times over 6 months, but I had legitimate reasons most of the time (car trouble, sick kid, etc). Washington ESD considered the whole situation.

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Make sure you appeal if they initially deny your claim! A lot of people just accept the first decision but you have the right to request a hearing. Sometimes employers provide misleading information in their initial response.

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Good to know. How long do you have to file an appeal?

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I think it's 30 days from when you receive the determination letter. Don't wait until the last minute though.

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Bottom line - being fired doesn't automatically disqualify you from unemployment. File your claim, be honest about what happened, and let Washington ESD make the determination. Most people who get fired for performance reasons rather than true misconduct end up qualifying.

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Thanks everyone for all the advice! I'm feeling much more confident about filing now.

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You're welcome! Remember to file as soon as possible - benefits start from when you first file, not when you were terminated.

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Whatever happens, don't take it personally. Companies fire people for all kinds of reasons and it doesn't reflect on you as a person. Focus on finding your next opportunity and let Washington ESD handle the unemployment benefits. You've got this!

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Thank you for the encouragement. It's been a rough week but I'm trying to stay positive.

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Definitely keep your chin up. This is just a temporary setback.

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One more thing - make sure you start your job search right away even while waiting for your claim to be approved. Washington ESD requires you to be actively looking for work and you'll need to document your job search activities.

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Good point. I should start applying for jobs immediately. Do I need to report job search activities even before my claim is approved?

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Yes, you need to be looking for work from the day you file. Keep track of everything - applications, interviews, networking contacts.

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I was in your exact situation 6 months ago. Fired for 'performance issues' but it was really just downsizing. Applied for unemployment and got approved within 3 weeks. The process was actually pretty straightforward. Don't stress too much about it.

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That's so reassuring to hear. I'm feeling much better about the whole situation now.

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Yeah, Washington ESD is pretty fair about these situations. Most people who were fired for performance get approved.

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If your claim ends up in adjudication and you can't get through to Washington ESD by phone, definitely check out Claimyr. I was stuck in adjudication for weeks and couldn't get anyone on the phone. Used Claimyr and got connected to an agent who cleared up my case immediately.

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I'll definitely look into that if I run into problems. Thanks for the recommendation.

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Claimyr is legit. Helped me get through when I was having issues with my weekly claims.

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Bottom line - yes, you can collect unemployment if you're fired, as long as it wasn't for misconduct. File your claim, be honest about what happened, and keep looking for work. The system is designed to help people who lost their jobs through no fault of their own.

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Thank you everyone for all the advice and support. I'm going to file my claim today and start my job search. This community has been incredibly helpful.

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Good luck with everything! You've got this.

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Just to wrap up - make sure you file your weekly claims on time even while your initial claim is pending. Missing weekly claims can cause delays or issues with your benefits. Set a reminder on your phone or calendar.

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Great tip. I'll make sure to stay on top of the weekly claims once I file.

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Weekly claims are super important. Don't skip them even if you're not sure about your eligibility yet.

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Hope everything works out for you! Getting fired is tough but unemployment benefits are there for exactly this reason. Don't feel bad about using them - you paid into the system and deserve the support.

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Thank you so much. Everyone here has been so supportive and helpful. Really appreciate it.

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