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Fatima Al-Suwaidi

What is considered misconduct for unemployment in Washington ESD claims?

I got terminated from my job last month and filed for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD. My employer is claiming it was for misconduct but I think they're stretching the truth. I was late a few times due to childcare issues and had one argument with my supervisor about scheduling, but nothing major. Does anyone know what Washington ESD actually considers misconduct? I'm worried they'll deny my claim and I really need these benefits while I look for work.

Washington ESD has pretty specific guidelines for misconduct. It has to be willful or wanton disregard of your employer's interests, or deliberate violation of workplace rules. Being late occasionally due to childcare usually isn't misconduct unless you were warned multiple times and kept doing it anyway.

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That's reassuring. I was only late maybe 4-5 times over 6 months and always called ahead. Do you think one heated conversation counts as misconduct?

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One argument usually won't qualify as misconduct unless it involved threats, harassment, or really inappropriate behavior. Washington ESD looks at the severity and pattern of behavior.

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I went through this same thing last year. My employer claimed I was fired for misconduct but Washington ESD approved my benefits after the adjudication process. They really investigate whether it was truly misconduct or just poor performance.

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How long did your adjudication take? I'm still waiting to hear back and it's been 2 weeks.

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It took about 3 weeks for me. They had to contact my employer and get their side of the story too.

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The key thing is Washington ESD distinguishes between misconduct and just being a bad employee. Misconduct requires intent to harm the employer or deliberately breaking rules you knew about. Poor performance, personality conflicts, or isolated incidents usually don't count.

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That makes sense. I never intentionally tried to hurt the company, just had some personal issues affecting my punctuality.

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Exactly! I was denied initially but won my appeal because being overwhelmed at work isn't the same as misconduct.

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That sounds helpful! I've been trying to call for days but keep getting the busy signal or disconnected.

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I was skeptical about using a service like that but honestly it worked for me too. Got through to Washington ESD in about 20 minutes when I'd been trying for weeks on my own.

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washington esd usually looks at these factors for misconduct: theft, violence, harassment, excessive absences after warnings, insubordination, drug/alcohol use at work, or deliberately violating safety rules. sounds like your situation might not meet their threshold

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None of those apply to my situation. Just tardiness and one disagreement about my schedule. Feeling more confident now.

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Right, and even excessive absences need to be after clear warnings and opportunities to improve. Context matters a lot.

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I know someone who was denied for misconduct initially but appealed and won. The employer claimed he was insubordinate but he proved it was actually constructive criticism about safety issues. Washington ESD sided with him after reviewing all the evidence.

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That gives me hope. If I get denied, how do I file an appeal with Washington ESD?

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You get instructions in your denial letter. You have 30 days to appeal and they'll schedule a phone hearing where you can present your side.

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The Washington ESD adjudicators are pretty thorough. They'll look at your work history, any progressive discipline, company policies, and whether you had a chance to correct the behavior. Single incidents rarely qualify as misconduct.

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I never received any written warnings, just verbal comments about being on time. Does that help my case?

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Definitely helps. Lack of progressive discipline shows they didn't follow proper procedures before termination.

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Something to keep in mind - even if your employer claims misconduct, Washington ESD makes their own independent determination. Employers sometimes exaggerate to avoid paying higher unemployment taxes.

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I wondered about that. My employer seemed pretty upset about me filing for benefits.

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Yeah, employers have a financial incentive to claim misconduct. That's why Washington ESD does their own investigation.

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ugh the whole misconduct thing is so stressful! i was worried about the same thing when i got fired but turned out my employer couldn't prove it was actually misconduct. washington esd approved my benefits after like a month of waiting

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A month of waiting sounds nerve-wracking! Did you have to provide any documentation during the process?

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they asked for my side of what happened and any emails or texts related to the situation. keep records of everything!

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One more thing - if you're concerned about the misconduct determination, make sure to file your weekly claims while you're waiting. Even if there's a hold on your account for adjudication, you need to keep certifying to maintain your claim.

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Good point! I've been doing my weekly claims online but wasn't sure if I should continue during adjudication.

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Definitely keep filing. If you're approved, you'll get backpay for those weeks. If you stop filing, you could lose those weeks permanently.

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Just to circle back on getting through to Washington ESD - I mentioned Claimyr earlier and it really did help me speak to someone about my misconduct concern. Sometimes talking to an actual person can clarify things faster than waiting for the written determination.

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I might try that service. Having someone explain the process directly would definitely reduce my anxiety.

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I used it too when I had questions about my adjudication timeline. Worth it just for peace of mind.

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remember that washington esd has to prove misconduct, not the other way around. the burden of proof is on them and your employer to show it was willful violation of company policy or deliberate harm to the employer's interests

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That's really helpful to know. I was thinking I had to prove I didn't do anything wrong.

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Exactly! They have to show clear evidence of intentional wrongdoing, not just that you weren't a perfect employee.

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From what you described - occasional lateness due to childcare and one scheduling disagreement - it really doesn't sound like misconduct under Washington ESD standards. Those are pretty common workplace issues that don't rise to the level of willful disregard.

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Thank you, that's reassuring. I've been losing sleep worrying about this decision.

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Try not to stress too much. Washington ESD sees these situations all the time and they're usually pretty fair in their determinations.

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If you do get approved after the misconduct review, make sure to keep up with your work search requirements. Washington ESD requires proof that you're actively looking for work - usually 3 work search activities per week.

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I've been applying to jobs already but wasn't keeping detailed records. Should I start documenting everything?

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Yes! Keep a log with company names, dates, positions applied for, and contact information. Washington ESD can audit your work search activities.

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honestly the whole system is confusing but once you get approved it's pretty straightforward. just keep filing weekly and looking for work. the misconduct thing was scary but worked out fine for me

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Thanks for sharing your experience. It helps to hear from people who went through the same thing.

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One last tip - if Washington ESD does find misconduct (which seems unlikely in your case), you can still potentially qualify for benefits after a certain disqualification period. It's not necessarily a permanent denial, depending on the severity.

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Good to know there might be options even in a worst-case scenario. Hopefully it won't come to that though.

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The disqualification periods vary but it's usually better than no benefits at all. But again, your situation really doesn't sound like misconduct.

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Keep us posted on how it turns out! I'm betting you'll get approved once Washington ESD completes their review. Your employer's claim of misconduct sounds pretty weak based on what you've described.

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I will! Thanks everyone for all the helpful information and reassurance. This thread has been incredibly valuable.

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That's what this community is for! We've all been through the Washington ESD process and know how stressful it can be.

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Final thought - if you need to speak to Washington ESD about anything related to your misconduct determination, Claimyr really is worth trying. The peace of mind from talking to an actual person is huge when you're dealing with something this important for your financial security.

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I'm definitely going to check out that service. Being able to get real answers instead of just waiting would be amazing.

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good luck with everything! based on what you shared, i'd be surprised if washington esd denies your benefits. they really do try to be fair about these misconduct determinations and your situation sounds pretty reasonable

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Thank you! Feeling much more optimistic after all these responses.

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Just remember to check your SecureAccess Washington account regularly for updates on your claim status. Washington ESD will post their determination there first, and you'll get a written notice in the mail with the full explanation of their decision.

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I've been checking daily! Hopefully I'll see good news soon. Thanks again everyone for all the support and information.

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I went through a similar misconduct review with Washington ESD about 8 months ago. My employer claimed I was fired for poor attitude and insubordination, but it was really just disagreements about unrealistic deadlines and understaffing issues. Washington ESD approved my benefits after about 3 weeks of review. They seemed to understand that workplace conflict doesn't automatically equal misconduct. The key thing that helped my case was showing that I tried to resolve issues through proper channels first - like emailing HR about my concerns. Do you have any documentation of trying to address the childcare/scheduling issues with your employer before they escalated?

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That's really helpful to know! I do have some text messages with my supervisor about the childcare situation affecting my schedule, and I sent an email to HR once asking about flexible start times. I didn't think to save those but I might still have them in my phone. Should I gather all that documentation in case Washington ESD asks for it during their review?

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