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Washington ESD unemployment high - what happens to tax money collected by government?

I've been thinking about this while dealing with my own claim situation. With so many people filing for unemployment benefits through Washington ESD lately, what actually happens to the amount of tax revenue the government collects? I mean, if fewer people are working and paying income taxes, but more people need unemployment benefits, how does that math work out? Does this affect how much money is available for unemployment insurance payments? I'm worried about whether there will be enough funding for everyone who needs UI benefits.

Good question! The unemployment insurance fund operates differently than general tax revenue. Washington ESD's unemployment benefits are funded primarily through employer payroll taxes, not individual income taxes. When unemployment is high, yes there's less income tax revenue overall, but the UI fund has reserves built up from years of employer contributions.

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That makes sense about the employer taxes. So the UI fund is separate from regular government budget?

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Exactly. It's a dedicated fund managed by Washington ESD specifically for unemployment benefits. Though during really bad recessions, sometimes federal government steps in with extended benefits.

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i've been waiting 6 weeks for my adjudication to clear and this has me worried too. if everyone's filing claims does that mean they'll run out of money before my claim gets approved??

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The adjudication delays aren't usually about funding shortages - they're more about Washington ESD being overwhelmed with processing claims. Your benefits are still protected even if it takes forever to get through adjudication.

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ok that's somewhat reassuring. still frustrating being stuck in limbo though

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I actually found a way to get through to Washington ESD agents faster when I was dealing with my adjudication issues. There's this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that basically calls the Washington ESD phone lines for you and connects you when an agent picks up. Saved me hours of redialing busy signals. They have a demo video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ

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How much does something like that cost? Seems like we shouldn't have to pay extra just to reach Washington ESD.

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I get the frustration about having to use a third party service, but honestly it was worth it to finally get answers about my claim status instead of calling hundreds of times myself.

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Interesting, never heard of that before. Might try it if my appeal hearing gets scheduled.

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To answer your original question more specifically - when unemployment is high, several things happen financially: 1) Less income tax collected (as you noted), 2) More UI benefit payments going out, 3) Potential need for federal assistance if state funds get low, 4) Eventually higher employer tax rates to replenish the fund. Washington state has generally managed their UI fund pretty well compared to other states.

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So employers end up paying more taxes later to make up for high unemployment periods? That seems like it could hurt job creation.

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There's definitely that concern. It's a balancing act between maintaining adequate UI funding and not overburdening employers with taxes.

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THIS IS EXACTLY WHY THE SYSTEM IS BROKEN! High unemployment means less tax revenue AND more benefit payments. It's unsustainable! No wonder Washington ESD can't keep up with processing claims properly.

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The system has worked through multiple recessions though. Yes it gets strained during high unemployment, but that's exactly what the fund reserves are for.

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Reserves don't help when the whole system is understaffed and takes months to process simple claims!

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I guess my real worry is whether Washington ESD will start denying more claims or making the process harder because of funding concerns. Anyone notice changes in how strict they're being with eligibility requirements?

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Eligibility requirements are set by law, not by funding levels. Washington ESD can't just arbitrarily make them stricter. However, they might be more thorough in their review process during high-claim periods.

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I filed in December and they were pretty thorough checking my work history and separation reason. Took 3 weeks for initial determination.

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Economics student here - high unemployment creates what's called a 'fiscal multiplier effect.' Less tax revenue + more benefit payments + reduced consumer spending = economic contraction. But unemployment benefits actually help stabilize the economy by maintaining some consumer spending power.

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That's helpful context. So UI benefits serve a broader economic purpose beyond just helping individuals?

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Exactly! They're considered 'automatic stabilizers' in economic policy. They kick in during recessions without needing new legislation.

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never thought about it that way, interesting

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Been through two periods of unemployment in the last 5 years. First time in 2020, second time just ended last month. Definitely noticed Washington ESD was more backed up recently, but the benefit amounts didn't change and I got all my payments eventually. The funding seems solid even if the processing is slow.

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Good to hear from someone with recent experience. Did you have any issues with job search requirements this time around?

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Job search requirements were basically the same - 3 job contacts per week, keep your log updated. They didn't seem to be auditing them any more strictly than before.

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My cousin works for the state treasury office and she mentioned that during the 2020 spike they had to borrow federal funds temporarily, but Washington paid it back pretty quickly once things stabilized. The UI trust fund is in better shape than most states.

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That's correct. Washington was one of the first states to repay their federal UI loans after 2020. Shows the fund management has been responsible.

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meanwhile some states still haven't paid back their loans and are charging employers extra fees

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I tried using that Claimyr service someone mentioned earlier after being stuck in adjudication hell for 2 months. Actually worked - got connected to an agent within 20 minutes instead of calling all day. Agent was able to explain exactly what documents they needed to resolve my case.

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Was it easy to use? I'm not great with technology but getting desperate to reach someone at Washington ESD.

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Pretty straightforward. You just enter your info and they handle the calling part. Way less stressful than trying to get through myself.

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Does anyone know if high unemployment affects the maximum benefit amount? I'm currently getting $844/week but wondering if that could change if lots of people are claiming.

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Maximum benefit amounts are calculated based on average wages in the state, not current unemployment levels. Your weekly benefit amount is locked in when your claim is established.

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Thanks, that's reassuring. I was worried they might reduce payments mid-claim.

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The real problem is that when unemployment is high, it takes FOREVER to get anyone on the phone at Washington ESD. I've been trying for weeks to get clarification on my job search requirements after a partial work reduction.

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That's exactly why I mentioned Claimyr earlier. The phone wait times are insane right now, but that service actually gets you through to agents.

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I might have to look into that. This is ridiculous how hard it is to get basic information.

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From a policy perspective, high unemployment periods often lead to discussions about raising the employer tax rates to rebuild the UI fund faster. There were talks about this in the state legislature last session but nothing passed yet.

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Any idea what kind of increases they were considering?

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I think it was around a 0.2% increase in the SUTA tax rate, but don't quote me on the exact number. Would mainly affect larger employers.

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honestly just glad the money is there when we need it. been unemployed for 4 months and the UI payments have kept me from losing my apartment. whatever happens with taxes and funding, at least the system works for the basics

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That's really what matters in the end. Hope you find something soon!

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thanks, got a few interviews lined up so fingers crossed

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The Washington ESD annual report usually breaks down all the funding details if anyone wants to see the actual numbers. Shows how much comes in from employer taxes vs. how much goes out in benefits. Last year the fund actually grew despite higher than normal claims.

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Where can you find those reports? Might be interesting to look at the trends.

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Should be on the Washington ESD website under their publications section. Pretty detailed breakdown of all the financials.

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My employer laid off half the department in January and I know they're worried about their UI tax rate going up next year because of all the claims from our company. HR mentioned it might affect whether they hire people back when business picks up.

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That's unfortunately a real consideration for employers. The 'experience rating' system means companies with more layoffs pay higher UI tax rates.

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Makes sense from a policy standpoint but definitely creates weird incentives for hiring decisions.

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Bottom line - the UI fund is designed to handle periods of high unemployment. That's literally its purpose. Yes it gets strained, yes processing gets backed up, but the money is there. Been through this cycle before and it always works out.

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Appreciate the perspective from someone who's seen multiple cycles. Helps put current situation in context.

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Agreed. Easy to panic when you're in the middle of it but the system has survived worse periods than this.

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Just to add one more data point - I work in payroll and can confirm our company's UI tax rate did go up this year after we had layoffs in 2023. But it's still a relatively small percentage of overall payroll costs. The system spreads the burden around pretty effectively.

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Thanks for the real-world example. Good to understand how it actually affects employers.

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No problem. It's all about balancing the needs of unemployed workers with reasonable costs for employers. Not perfect but generally works.

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