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Unemployment rates for teens 16-19 in Washington - how much did it grow between April 2019 and April 2020?

I'm doing research on youth unemployment trends in Washington state and I'm trying to find specific data on how much unemployment grew for people ages 16-19 between April 2019 and April 2020. Does anyone know where to get this info from Washington ESD or have access to these statistics? I've checked their website but can't find the age-specific breakdowns for those exact months. Any help would be appreciated!

You'll want to check the Bureau of Labor Statistics regional data for Washington state. They have age-specific unemployment rates by month. April 2020 was when COVID hit so you're probably looking at a massive spike for teen unemployment specifically.

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Thanks! I'll check BLS. Yeah I figured April 2020 would show the COVID impact but wasn't sure how dramatic it was for the younger age groups specifically.

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Teen unemployment always gets hit hardest during recessions since they're usually first to get laid off from retail and food service jobs

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I remember reading that teen unemployment in Washington jumped from around 12% in April 2019 to over 30% by April 2020. The retail and restaurant closures absolutely decimated youth employment. Washington ESD saw a huge surge in first-time claims from people under 20 during that period.

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Wow 12% to 30%+ is exactly the kind of dramatic increase I was expecting to find. Do you remember where you saw those specific numbers?

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I think it was in one of the Washington Employment Security Department's monthly reports from summer 2020. They did a deep dive on demographic impacts.

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Interesting, never heard of that service before. Is it specifically for unemployment claims or do they help with general ESD inquiries too?

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It's mainly for people trying to reach ESD about their claims, but I've heard of researchers using it to get through to the right department for data requests when the regular phone lines are swamped.

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my daughter was 17 in 2020 and lost her part time job at target in march, she couldn't even file for unemployment because she hadn't worked long enough. so many kids in her situation probably aren't even counted in the official numbers

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That's a really good point - the official unemployment numbers only count people who are eligible to file claims or actively seeking work. There were probably tons of teens who lost jobs but couldn't qualify for benefits.

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Exactly, the labor force participation rate for teens probably dropped significantly too, which wouldn't show up in unemployment percentages but would in employment-to-population ratios.

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Check the Washington State Employment Security Department's Labor Market and Economic Analysis division. They publish detailed demographic breakdowns in their monthly employment reports. April 2020 data should show the initial COVID impact.

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Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking for! I'll search for their Labor Market Analysis reports from that time period.

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I work in workforce development and remember those numbers being shocking. Teen unemployment in WA went from being relatively manageable to crisis levels literally overnight when the stay-at-home orders hit.

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From your professional perspective, did it take longer for teen employment to recover compared to other age groups?

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Yes, significantly longer. Adult unemployment recovered much faster because essential industries kept operating, but retail and food service - where most teens work - stayed restricted for months.

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the numbers are probably even worse than what gets reported because a lot of teens work under the table or in gig economy stuff that doesn't show up in traditional employment stats

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Good point about gig work. Uber, DoorDash, babysitting - none of that shows up in the official BLS surveys but tons of teens do that kind of work.

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Try contacting ESD's Research and Analysis team directly. They have economists who specialize in this kind of demographic analysis and might be able to provide more detailed breakdowns than what's in the public reports.

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Great suggestion! Do you know if they're responsive to academic research requests?

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In my experience they're pretty helpful for legitimate research, especially if you explain what you're using the data for. Just be prepared for a wait - they're always backed up.

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If you do need to call ESD and can't get through the regular way, that Claimyr service I mentioned earlier has been a lifesaver for people trying to reach them. Way better than spending hours on hold.

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How does something like that work exactly? Do you still have to wait on hold or does it somehow get you to the front of the line?

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From what I understand, it automates the calling process and connects you when an agent becomes available. Saves you from having to manually redial hundreds of times.

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The Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis (FRED) database has Washington state unemployment data by age group going back years. You can create custom charts comparing different time periods.

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Oh perfect! FRED is great for economic data. I should have thought to check there first. Thanks!

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Just remember that April 2020 data might be a bit weird because of how unemployment claims were processed during the early COVID chaos. Washington ESD was completely overwhelmed and there were delays in processing claims.

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Good point to keep in mind for data interpretation. The administrative delays might have affected when people showed up in the statistics.

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I remember seeing a news article that said teen unemployment in WA hit like 28% or 29% in April 2020 compared to around 11% the year before. Might have been in the Seattle Times business section.

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That aligns with what others have mentioned - roughly a tripling of the unemployment rate. I'll search the Seattle Times archives for that article.

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Don't forget to look at not seasonally adjusted vs seasonally adjusted data. Teen employment has natural seasonal patterns with school schedules, so you want to make sure you're comparing apples to apples.

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Excellent point! I should definitely use seasonally adjusted data for year-over-year comparisons to account for normal spring employment patterns.

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The University of Washington's Center for Women might have done research on this topic too, since young women were disproportionately affected by service industry job losses.

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Interesting angle - I hadn't thought about the gender dimension of teen unemployment during COVID. I'll check if they have any relevant studies.

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honestly the whole situation was devastating for kids trying to get work experience. my daughter didn't find another job until late 2021 and by then she'd missed out on almost 2 years of building work skills

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That's one of the hidden costs of teen unemployment - it's not just about the immediate income, it's about missing out on developing job skills and work habits during crucial formative years.

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LinkedIn Economic Graph might have some relevant data on Washington state youth employment trends, though it skews toward more educated/professional workers so might not capture the full teen employment picture.

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True, LinkedIn data would miss most typical teen jobs. But still worth a look for additional context on the overall employment picture.

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If you end up writing about this, make sure to mention that the recovery was really uneven across different types of teen jobs. Fast food bounced back quick but retail took way longer.

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Great insight for the analysis! I'll definitely look into industry-specific recovery patterns for teen employment.

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Washington's minimum wage being higher than federal probably meant some teens priced out of jobs even before COVID, so the baseline might have been different than national averages.

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That's a good point about minimum wage effects, though the research on teen employment and minimum wage is pretty mixed. Washington generally had relatively low teen unemployment pre-COVID despite the higher wage.

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Have you tried reaching out to local workforce development boards? They often track youth employment metrics more closely than state-level agencies and might have more granular data.

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That's a great suggestion! Local workforce boards would definitely have insight into what was happening on the ground in different regions of the state.

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Just to circle back on getting through to ESD if you need to - I used Claimyr last month when I couldn't reach them about my claim and it worked perfectly. Saved me probably 20+ hours of trying to call manually.

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That's pretty impressive if it actually works. The ESD phone system has been a nightmare for years, not just during COVID.

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Yeah, it's been a game changer for anyone who needs to actually talk to someone there. The regular phone lines are still basically unusable during peak times.

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Final thought - when you present your findings, it might be worth contextualizing against teen unemployment during the 2008 recession to show how COVID compared to other major economic disruptions.

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Excellent suggestion for historical context! That comparison would really help illustrate the magnitude of the COVID impact on teen employment. Thanks for all the helpful input everyone!

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