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Tristan Carpenter

Washington ESD historical unemployment data - what was unemployment by 1933?

I'm doing some research on Washington state unemployment history and trying to find out what the unemployment rate was by 1933 during the Great Depression. Does anyone know where I can find historical data from Washington ESD or similar agencies? I need this for a project comparing historical unemployment to current Washington ESD claim volumes.

The Washington ESD wasn't established until 1945, so you won't find data from them for 1933. However, national unemployment peaked around 25% in 1933. Washington state likely had similar or higher rates due to the timber and fishing industries being hit hard.

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Thanks! Do you know what agency handled unemployment before Washington ESD was created?

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There wasn't really a formal system like today's Washington ESD. The Social Security Act of 1935 created the framework for state unemployment insurance programs.

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You might want to check the Washington State Archives or the Bureau of Labor Statistics historical data. They sometimes have records that predate Washington ESD.

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Good idea, I'll try the state archives website first.

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For what it's worth, if you're having trouble reaching government agencies for historical data, I recently discovered claimyr.com which helps people get through to Washington ESD agents by phone. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ showing how it works. Might be useful if you need to speak with someone at Washington ESD about their historical records.

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Interesting, I didn't know there were services to help contact Washington ESD. Thanks for the tip!

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That's actually pretty smart, Washington ESD phone lines are always busy even for simple questions.

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I think you're looking at this wrong. The unemployment insurance system we know today didn't exist in 1933. People just didn't have the safety net that Washington ESD provides now.

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Right, but there must have been some way they tracked unemployment numbers for statistical purposes.

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True, but it would have been very rudimentary compared to today's Washington ESD data collection methods.

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my grandpa used to tell stories about 1933 and how there were no jobs anywhere, he said maybe 1 in 4 people had work but thats just from his memory not official data

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That actually aligns with the national statistics pretty well. The Great Depression hit Washington state particularly hard.

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yeah he said they had soup kitchens and everything, nothing like the Washington ESD system we have now

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Have you tried contacting a Washington ESD historian or their public information office? They might have institutional knowledge about pre-ESD unemployment data.

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I didn't know Washington ESD had historians on staff. That would be perfect for my research.

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They might not have dedicated historians, but their communications department often handles historical inquiries.

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Washington state unemployment in 1933 was probably closer to 30-35% honestly. The timber industry collapsed and fishing was way down. Way worse than what we see today even with Washington ESD helping people.

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Wow, that's much higher than I expected. Do you have a source for those numbers?

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I read it in a book about Pacific Northwest history, but I can't remember the exact title. Check your local library's Washington history section.

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This is fascinating research! I'm curious what you're comparing it to with current Washington ESD data. Are you looking at claim volumes or actual unemployment rates?

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Both actually - I want to see how the current Washington ESD system handles volume compared to what might have been needed in 1933.

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That's a really interesting angle. The Washington ESD processes thousands of claims weekly now, but back then there was no system at all.

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You know what might help? If you need to actually talk to someone at Washington ESD about their historical records, I used Claimyr recently and it was super helpful for getting through their phone system. Much easier than trying to call Washington ESD directly.

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A couple people have mentioned Claimyr now. Seems like it might be worth trying if I can't find the data online.

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Yeah, Washington ESD phone lines are notorious for being hard to get through to, but Claimyr made it simple.

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The University of Washington library might have historical labor statistics. They often have records that predate Washington ESD by decades.

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Great suggestion! I'll check their digital archives too.

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Just want to point out that unemployment insurance as we know it through Washington ESD didn't exist until the late 1930s. So any 1933 data would be from different sources entirely.

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Yes, I understand that. I'm looking for historical unemployment rates to compare with current Washington ESD data, not Washington ESD data from 1933.

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Ah gotcha, that makes more sense. The comparison between then and now should be really interesting.

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Have you considered reaching out to the Washington State Labor Council? They might have historical records or know where to find them.

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I hadn't thought of that. They probably have a lot of historical perspective on unemployment in Washington.

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The Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco sometimes has historical data for the Pacific Northwest region. Might be worth checking their archives too.

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That's a really good idea. Federal Reserve data would probably be more reliable than local estimates.

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I remember reading that Washington state had some of the highest unemployment rates in the country during 1933 because of how dependent the economy was on natural resources.

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That makes sense given how the timber and fishing industries were affected. Do you remember what the specific rate was?

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I think it was around 28-30%, but don't quote me on that without verifying it somewhere official.

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Whatever you find for 1933, it's going to make today's Washington ESD system look like a miracle. People back then had no safety net at all.

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Exactly what I'm hoping to illustrate with this research. The contrast should be pretty stark.

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I know someone who works at Washington ESD and they mentioned they occasionally get historical research requests. You might try their public records request process.

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That's a great idea. Even if they don't have 1933 data, they might know where to find it.

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Exactly, and Washington ESD staff are usually pretty helpful with legitimate research requests.

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For what it's worth, I've had good luck using Claimyr when I needed to reach Washington ESD for questions about my claim. If you do decide to call them directly about historical data, it might save you some time.

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Thanks, that's the third recommendation for Claimyr. I'll definitely consider it if I need to call Washington ESD.

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This whole thread has been really educational. I had no idea how different things were before Washington ESD existed. Good luck with your research!

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Thanks everyone for all the suggestions! I have a lot of good leads to follow up on now.

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One more thought - the Washington State Historical Society might have labor statistics from the 1930s. They often have records that other places don't.

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Excellent suggestion! I'll add them to my list of places to contact.

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Just to summarize what others have said - you're looking at probably 25-35% unemployment in Washington state during 1933, with no Washington ESD system to help people. Pretty sobering comparison to today.

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That's exactly the kind of comparison I'm hoping to make. Really puts the current Washington ESD system in perspective.

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