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Lucas Parker

How long does an employer have to contest unemployment benefits in Washington?

My former employer just filed a protest against my unemployment claim after I'd already been receiving benefits for 5 weeks. I thought there was a deadline for them to contest it? Now Washington ESD is saying my claim might be under review and I'm worried they'll make me pay everything back. Does anyone know what the actual time limit is for employers to challenge unemployment claims? This seems really unfair that they can wait this long and then suddenly decide to fight it.

Employers in Washington have 30 calendar days from the date they receive the initial claim notice to file a protest. However, they can also contest later if they have good cause for the delay. The fact that you've been receiving benefits doesn't necessarily mean you're safe from a challenge.

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So even after 5 weeks they can still contest it? That seems really unfair to claimants who are depending on those benefits.

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Unfortunately yes, especially if they can show they didn't receive proper notice or had other valid reasons for the delay. Washington ESD tends to be pretty lenient with employer late protests.

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this happened to me too last year. my old job waited like 2 months then suddenly decided to fight my claim. had to go through a whole appeals process

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What was the outcome? Did you have to pay anything back?

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ended up winning the appeal but it took forever and was super stressful. keep all your documentation just in case

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Thanks for the suggestion! I've been trying to call for days with no luck. How much does it cost?

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They focus more on helping you get through than the cost aspect. Worth checking out their site for details. Much less frustrating than the regular phone system.

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The 30-day rule is in RCW 50.20.066 but there are exceptions. Employers can file late protests if they can demonstrate they didn't receive proper notice, had a change in personnel, or other 'good cause' reasons. The key thing is that Washington ESD will investigate any protest regardless of timing if the employer provides justification.

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What constitutes 'good cause' though? Seems like employers could just make up any excuse to contest later.

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Common examples include: mail delivery issues, staff turnover, computer system problems, or not understanding the original notice. Washington ESD evaluates each case individually.

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UGH this is exactly why the unemployment system is so broken! Employers can just wait until you've spent the money then decide to contest. Meanwhile we're struggling to pay rent and bills. The whole system protects employers over workers.

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I feel you on this. It's like they want to keep us in limbo forever.

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Right? Now I'm scared to spend any of the benefits I'm still receiving in case they make me pay it all back.

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Just to clarify the process: when an employer files a late protest, Washington ESD will send you a 'Redetermination Notice' explaining the employer's reasons. You'll have the right to respond with your side of the story. Don't panic yet - many late protests are denied, especially if the employer's reasons seem weak.

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I haven't received any redetermination notice yet, just got a call saying my claim was under review. Should I be worried they haven't sent paperwork?

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The paperwork usually takes a few days to arrive. Keep checking your online account and mail. You'll definitely get official notice before any decisions are made.

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been there done that with the employer protest thing. what really helped was getting through to an actual Washington ESD person to understand what was happening with my case. i used claimyr after reading about it here and actually got to talk to someone who explained the whole timeline. way better than guessing what's going on

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Was the agent able to tell you the specific reasons for the employer's protest?

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yeah they walked me through exactly what the employer claimed and what evidence they provided. helped me prepare my response properly

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Wait I'm confused - is there a difference between protesting the initial claim and appealing after benefits are approved? My employer did something but I'm not sure which one it was

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A protest happens before benefits are approved, while an appeal happens after. But employers can also request redetermination of approved claims, which is similar to a late protest.

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ok that makes more sense. i think mine was the redetermination thing then

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Does anyone know if there's a limit to how many times an employer can contest? Like could they keep filing protests over and over?

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Generally no, they can't keep filing the same protest repeatedly. But they could contest different aspects of your claim or file new protests if your circumstances change.

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That's somewhat reassuring at least. This whole process is nerve-wracking enough without worrying about endless contests.

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just went through this exact situation last month. employer waited 6 weeks then filed protest claiming i was fired for misconduct (i wasn't). the good news is washington esd gave me full chance to respond and provide my evidence. ended up keeping my benefits but it was scary for a while

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How long did the whole review process take once they filed the protest?

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about 3 weeks from when i got the redetermination notice to when they made the final decision. keep filing your weekly claims during the review period

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this is why i always document EVERYTHING when i leave a job. save emails, take photos of timesheets, anything that might help if the employer tries to fight unemployment later

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Good advice. I wish I had thought to do that. Hopefully my situation won't need extensive documentation.

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better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, you know?

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The timing thing is so frustrating because meanwhile your bills don't stop. I had a similar situation and using one of those services to actually get through to Washington ESD helped a lot. Claimyr I think it was called? Being able to talk to a real person made all the difference in understanding what was happening.

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Several people have mentioned Claimyr now. Sounds like it might be worth trying if I can't get through the regular way.

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Yeah, way less stressful than the endless hold music. They have good info on their website about how it works.

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Important point: even if your employer files a late protest, you should continue filing your weekly claims unless Washington ESD specifically tells you to stop. Don't assume your benefits are automatically suspended during the review.

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Thank you! I was wondering about that. I'll keep filing weekly until I hear otherwise officially.

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yes definitely keep filing. learned this the hard way when i stopped filing during a review and had to restart my whole claim later

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It's just ridiculous that employers can wait this long. Like they're playing games with people's lives. Some of us are barely making ends meet and then BAM surprise contest after you've been relying on those benefits for over a month.

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I totally agree. The system definitely favors employers over workers in situations like this.

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Exactly how I'm feeling right now. It's so stressful not knowing if I'll have to pay everything back.

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One more thing to remember: if the employer's protest is successful and Washington ESD determines you weren't eligible, you may have to repay benefits. But if you can show you had good cause to believe you were eligible when you applied, they might waive the overpayment. Keep records of why you thought you qualified.

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What kind of records would help show good cause? I applied because I was laid off due to lack of work.

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Save any layoff notices, emails about the layoff, witness statements from coworkers, anything showing it was truly lack of work and not misconduct.

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been following this thread bc i'm worried about the same thing with my claim. my employer has been really vindictive since i left and i wouldn't put it past them to contest just to cause problems

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Ugh, vindictive employers are the worst. Hopefully yours won't bother but good to be prepared just in case.

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yeah i'm keeping all my documentation organized just in case. this thread has been really helpful for knowing what to expect

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Quick question - does the 30 day deadline start from when Washington ESD mails the notice or when the employer actually receives it? Sometimes mail can be delayed.

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It's typically from the mailing date, not when they claim to have received it. But if there are legitimate mail delivery issues, that could be grounds for accepting a late protest.

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Makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that detail.

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Just wanted to follow up on the Claimyr suggestion from earlier. If you do need to speak with Washington ESD about this protest situation, that service really does work well for getting through their phone system. Much better than the frustration of trying to call during business hours and never getting through.

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I think I'm going to try it. This uncertainty about the protest is driving me crazy and I need to know what's actually happening with my claim.

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same here, been trying to call for weeks about my own issue. might as well try something that actually works

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Update: Thanks everyone for all the information and advice. I'm going to continue filing my weekly claims like suggested and gather up any documentation I have about my layoff. Hopefully this protest doesn't go anywhere but at least now I know what to expect in the process. This forum has been incredibly helpful!

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Good luck! Remember that many employer protests don't succeed, especially if your layoff was clearly due to lack of work. Stay positive.

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you've got this! just be thorough in your response when you get the paperwork and you should be fine

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hope it works out better for you than it did for me. keep us updated if you feel like it

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