Employer filed appeal AFTER ESD approved my UI benefits - what happens now?
I'm in a weird situation with my unemployment claim and need some advice. I was let go from my retail management job about 6 weeks ago. I applied for UI benefits right away and ESD requested information from my employer. My employer never responded within the timeframe, so ESD approved my claim and I've been receiving benefits for the past 4 weeks. Yesterday I got a letter from ESD saying my former employer has now filed an appeal claiming I was terminated for misconduct (totally not true - they eliminated my position during restructuring). The letter says there will be a hearing with an Administrative Law Judge but doesn't give a date yet. Has anyone dealt with this before? Will my benefits stop while this appeal is pending? Do I need a lawyer? I'm worried sick because I'm using this money to pay rent while job hunting. Any advice would be super appreciated!
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Amara Torres
I went through this exact situation last year. Your benefits should continue while the appeal is pending - that's standard procedure. Make sure you keep filing your weekly claims during this time! For the hearing, you'll want to gather any evidence that shows you were laid off due to restructuring rather than fired for misconduct. Things like: company-wide emails about restructuring, your termination letter if it mentions position elimination, performance reviews showing good standing, etc. The burden of proof is on the employer since they're claiming misconduct. Be prepared to explain your side clearly during the hearing and answer the judge's questions directly. I found the ALJ to be very fair in my case.
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Elijah O'Reilly
•Thank you so much! That's a relief about the benefits continuing. I do have an email from HR mentioning the restructuring and my final performance review was excellent. I'll gather those for the hearing.
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Olivia Van-Cleve
i had somethng similar happen but my employer said i quit when i was fired lol. the judge sided with me becuz my boss couldnt proove anything. dont stress 2 much about it, just tell the truth and u will be fine
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Elijah O'Reilly
•That's reassuring to hear! Did you have any documentation for your case or was it just your word against theirs?
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Olivia Van-Cleve
•just my word vs theirs mostly. had some texts from coworkers who knew i got fired but that was it. the judge said my boss had the burden of proof and they had nothing
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Mason Kaczka
Your employer is trying to avoid their unemployment insurance rates going up by claiming misconduct after the fact. This is fairly common but frustrating. To add to the good advice above: 1. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING. Write down a detailed timeline of events leading to your termination while it's fresh in your mind. 2. During the hearing, stick to facts and avoid emotional statements about the employer. Judges respond better to clear, factual testimony. 3. If they're claiming specific misconduct, be prepared to address it directly. 4. You have the right to present witnesses - if any former colleagues can testify about the restructuring, that could help. 5. Make sure to call in or log in to the hearing 15 minutes early. Missing the hearing will likely result in a default judgment against you.
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Elijah O'Reilly
•This is incredibly helpful! I hadn't thought about writing down a timeline, but that makes total sense. My manager actually told me directly it wasn't performance-related when they let me go, so I'll definitely include that. Do you know how much notice I'll get before the hearing date?
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Mason Kaczka
•You should receive a Notice of Hearing at least 7-10 days before the scheduled date. It will contain important information about how to participate (phone or video), the specific issues to be addressed, and your rights during the hearing. Keep checking your ESD online portal too as sometimes notices appear there before the physical mail arrives.
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Sophia Russo
THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST US!! I dealt with this garbage last year when my employer LIED about why they fired me. I had to wait 5 WEEKS for my hearing while struggling to make ends meet. Then they had their fancy lawyer and I was on my own! Such a joke! Make sure you record EVERYTHING during the hearing (Washington is a two-party consent state but the ALJ announces recording at the beginning which counts as consent). If the judge seems biased, don't be afraid to appeal their decision too. The higher review board sometimes overturns bad decisions.
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Evelyn Xu
•Not all hearings are like this. I found the judge in my case extremely fair and they didn't let the employer's lawyer talk over me or anything. The OAH judges are actually pretty independent from ESD.
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Sophia Russo
•Well aren't you LUCKY. My judge practically had lunch with my ex-boss before the hearing! Just trying to warn this person what MIGHT happen so they're prepared!!!
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Dominic Green
I'm going through something similar right now. Been waiting 3 weeks to get my hearing scheduled. If you're having trouble getting updates on your case, I found a service called Claimyr that helps you get through to an actual ESD agent on the phone instead of waiting on hold forever. Their website is claimyr.com and they have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 I was able to get specific information about my appeal timeline that wasn't showing up in my online portal. Just thought I'd share since getting actual updates from ESD can be so frustrating.
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Hannah Flores
•Wait this actually works? I've been trying to get through to ESD for days without luck. Does it cost anything? Worth it just to get some actual information about my claim status.
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Dominic Green
•It does have a fee, but honestly I found it worth it after spending hours trying to get through. They basically hold your place in line and call you when they have an agent on the phone. Saved me so much frustration!
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Evelyn Xu
Quick tip: print out the RCW 50.04.294 section that defines misconduct for unemployment purposes. It's very specific, and many employer claims don't actually meet the legal standard. Bring this to your hearing and reference it if needed. Judges appreciate when claimants understand the relevant law. Also, ESD initially siding with you is actually pretty significant. They've already reviewed the case once and found in your favor due to employer non-response. The employer now has an uphill battle to overturn that determination.
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Elijah O'Reilly
•Thank you for this! Just looked up that RCW and you're right - the definition is much more specific than I realized. My situation definitely doesn't meet those criteria. I'll definitely bring this to the hearing.
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Hannah Flores
Has anyone gotten their benefits stopped during an appeal? I'm hearing different things about this. My cousin said her payments stopped as soon as her employer appealed but other people are saying they continue?
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Amara Torres
•Benefits typically continue during an employer appeal if you were already approved and receiving them. They might only stop if ESD reverses their initial determination before the hearing (which is rare) or after a judge rules against you. Your cousin's situation was likely unusual or might have involved other issues with her claim.
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Kayla Jacobson
my employer did the same thing last yr saying i was always late but they didnt have any proof lolol. make sure u attend the hearing!! my friend missed hers and automatically lost even though she was in the right
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Elijah O'Reilly
•That's good to know - I'll definitely make sure I'm available for the hearing no matter what. Did you have to wait a long time for your hearing date?
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Kayla Jacobson
•took about 3 weeks for mine. they scheduled it pretty quick bc of backlog clearing i think
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Mason Kaczka
One more important thing: after the hearing, the judge won't immediately tell you their decision. You'll receive a written decision in the mail about 1-2 weeks later. Continue filing your weekly claims during this time as well. If the decision goes against you and you've been receiving benefits, you may face an overpayment situation. However, you can appeal that decision too and even request a waiver of overpayment if repayment would cause financial hardship. Based on what you've described though (position elimination during restructuring), you have a strong case as long as you present it clearly.
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Elijah O'Reilly
•Thank you for the additional information. I'll make sure to keep filing no matter what. I'm hoping it doesn't come to dealing with overpayment, but it's good to know there are options if that happens.
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Sophia Russo
Also, WATCH OUT for the fact that employers often bring up TOTALLY NEW ALLEGATIONS during the hearing that weren't in their original appeal!!! My employer suddenly claimed I had been warned multiple times when that NEVER HAPPENED. Be prepared for them to make stuff up on the spot!
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Evelyn Xu
•This is actually a good point. If the employer brings up new allegations that weren't in the original notice, you can object and request that those issues not be considered since you weren't given proper notice to prepare a response. The ALJ should sustain that objection.
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