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AstroAce

Denied UI for "insubordination" - appeal filed but no hearing date yet from ESD - timeline?

I'm in a messy situation with my unemployment claim and could use some guidance. I was let go from my healthcare admin position and applied for benefits, but ESD denied my claim citing "insubordination" as the reason. This is absolutely retaliation for me reporting safety violations to management last month. I have emails, text messages, and written warnings that all started AFTER I made those reports. I requested an interview with the adjudicator to explain my side before they made a decision (even called and left messages twice), but they never contacted me. Just got the denial letter last week. I filed my appeal online immediately through eServices, got the confirmation number, but haven't received any information about a hearing date. Does anyone know what the timeline typically looks like for getting an appeal hearing scheduled with OAH? Are there any steps I should be taking while I wait? I'm getting really worried about finances since I wasn't expecting the denial. Thanks in advance for any advice!

Chloe Martin

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The appeal process can be frustratingly slow right now. I went through this in January when I was denied for something similar (they claimed I violated company policy). From filing my appeal to getting a hearing date took about 5-6 weeks, and then the actual hearing was scheduled for 3 weeks after that. So roughly 2 months total from appeal to hearing. Make sure you continue filing your weekly claims even while waiting for the appeal! This is SUPER important. If you win your appeal, they'll only pay for weeks you properly certified. Also, start organizing all your evidence now - you'll need to submit it before the hearing.

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AstroAce

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Thank you! That's longer than I was hoping but at least gives me a realistic expectation. I've definitely been keeping up with my weekly claims. Do you know if I'll get some kind of notification when they schedule the hearing, or do I need to keep checking somewhere specific?

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Diego Rojas

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you should get a letter in the mail with your hearing date but sometimes they dont send it lol. check ur eservices messages every few days cuz thats where mine showed up. good luck with ur apeal!!

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AstroAce

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Thanks! I'll keep checking both my mail and eServices messages. Definitely don't want to miss the hearing date.

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I successfully appealed a misconduct denial last year. Here's what to expect: 1. Timeline: Currently running 6-8 weeks from appeal filing to hearing date notification, then another 2-4 weeks until the actual hearing. So prepare for a 2-3 month process total. 2. Preparation: While waiting, gather ALL documentation that supports your case. Text messages, emails, performance reviews, witness statements, anything showing your good work history and the timeline of events after your safety report. 3. Hearing format: Hearings are almost all done by phone now. You'll get instructions about submitting your evidence beforehand (usually must be submitted 1 week prior). 4. Burden of proof: In misconduct cases, the EMPLOYER has the burden of proving you committed misconduct. Insubordination claims require them to show you deliberately disregarded a reasonable directive. If they can't prove this, you should win. 5. Keep filing those weekly claims without fail! If you haven't heard anything after 8 weeks, you can contact the Office of Administrative Hearings directly at 1-800-583-8271 to check your status.

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AstroAce

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This is incredibly helpful - thank you! I didn't realize the employer has the burden of proof. That makes me feel a bit better since I have documentation showing their requests became unreasonable after my safety report. I'll start organizing everything right away.

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The ESD appeal system is BROKEN!! I waited FOUR MONTHS for my hearing last year and then they tried to reschedule it with only 48 hours notice!!! The entire system is designed to make people give up. They hope you'll just stop filing weekly claims or miss some technical deadline so they don't have to pay you. My employer straight up LIED during my hearing and the judge still sided with them. Don't expect fairness or justice from this corrupt system!!

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Zara Ahmed

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Wow that's awful! Sorry you had to go through that. I had a completely different experience though - my hearing was scheduled within 6 weeks and the judge was actually really fair. I think it depends on which judge you get and maybe which office is handling your case?

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StarStrider

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I've been helping people with ESD appeals for years. The current timeline is about 7-8 weeks to get a hearing scheduled. Here's what you need to know: document EVERYTHING. Print out all emails, texts, company policies, etc. that support your case. For insubordination denials, it's critical to show either: 1. The directive you allegedly disobeyed wasn't clear 2. You had a good reason for not following it 3. The timing of disciplinary actions correlates with your safety report (retaliation) Also, try to get statements from any coworkers who witnessed the situation or the safety issues you reported. If you're struggling to reach ESD to check on your appeal status, I recommend trying Claimyr (claimyr.com). They have a service that helps you get through to ESD agents without the endless hold times. I've had clients use it successfully to check on appeal status and other urgent matters. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 that shows how it works.

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Diego Rojas

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omg thank u for mentioning that service!! i tried calling esd like 50 times last month and kept getting hung up on. gonna try this!

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AstroAce

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Thank you for the detailed advice! Point #3 is exactly my situation - I have documentation showing perfect performance reviews until immediately after I made the safety report, then suddenly I was written up three times in two weeks for minor issues that others weren't disciplined for. I'll check out that service if I need to contact ESD directly.

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Luca Esposito

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Question - are you filing weekly claims while you wait? My cousin didnt do this and when he won his appeal he only got back pay for the 2 weeks he had filed claims for, not the whole 3 months he was fighting it. Super important!!

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AstroAce

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Yes! Several people have mentioned this so I'm definitely staying on top of my weekly claims. I set multiple reminders so I don't forget. Thanks for the warning though - that would be devastating to win but not get the full backpay.

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Diego Rojas

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what kind of safety violations did u report? i had something kinda similar happen at my warehouse job last year

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AstroAce

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I worked in healthcare admin and reported multiple HIPAA violations plus some storage issues with controlled medications. Management was cutting corners to save money, and I couldn't just look the other way. Did your situation work out okay?

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Diego Rojas

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oh wow thats serious!! mine was just about improper lifting equipment. i ended up quitting before they could fire me but i still got ui because they approved it as a hostile work environment situation. hope ur appeal goes better than mine did!!

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One more critical tip: When you get your hearing notice, it will tell you how to submit evidence. Make sure you share all evidence with both the Office of Administrative Hearings AND your former employer by the deadline (usually 1 week before). If you miss this step, the judge might not consider your evidence. Also, prepare a clear, chronological statement about what happened. Practice explaining your situation concisely - judges appreciate when you can present your case in an organized way without rambling. Focus on facts rather than emotions, even though I know this is a stressful situation. Good luck with your appeal!

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AstroAce

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Thank you so much for the additional advice. I hadn't thought about practicing my statement, but that makes perfect sense. I tend to get a bit scattered when I'm nervous, so I'll definitely write out my key points and timeline to reference during the hearing.

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Zara Ahmed

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has anyone had their employer just not show up to the hearing? mine didn't bother coming to the call and the judge basically had to rule in my favor since they couldn't prove their case without being there lol

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Chloe Martin

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Yes! This happened to me as well. My former employer made a big deal about contesting my claim but then never showed up for the hearing. The judge still asked me questions about what happened, but without the employer there to present evidence of misconduct, I won by default. It's actually pretty common from what I've heard from others.

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AstroAce

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That would be amazing if they didn't show up, but knowing my former employer, they'll have their entire HR and legal team there. They're a large healthcare system and really don't want to pay unemployment claims. I'm going to prepare as if they'll be fully represented.

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