ESD approved my UI claim but now I have an OAH hearing scheduled - what's going on?
I'm really confused about what's happening with my unemployment claim. I was let go from my marketing position back in November for supposed 'performance issues' that were never documented. I filed for unemployment right away, but it took until February for ESD to actually approve my claim. They even specifically mentioned in their determination letter that they found my employer's reason for termination insufficient (basically agreeing I was fired without good cause). So I've been claiming and getting paid for about 5 weeks now, but yesterday I received official-looking papers in the mail saying I have a hearing scheduled with the Office of Administrative Hearings in two weeks! The notice mentions something about my former employer appealing the decision? I'm completely thrown off by this. Why would I need to attend a hearing when ESD already approved my benefits and I've been receiving payments? Has anyone dealt with this before? I've only had to use unemployment twice in my life (once back in 2018) and never encountered this situation before. Do I need to prepare anything specific for this hearing? Will my benefits stop while this is happening?
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
Your employer is appealing ESD's decision. Even though ESD approved your claim, your employer has the right to appeal that determination, which is why you're now getting a hearing notice from OAH. This is actually pretty common - I went through this exact situation last year. Your benefits will continue while the appeal is pending, but if your employer wins the appeal, you might have to pay back what you've received (which would become an overpayment).
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Edison Estevez
•Oh no! I had no idea they could still fight it after I was approved. Will I need a lawyer for this hearing? I really can't afford to pay back 5 weeks of benefits if they somehow win.
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James Johnson
This happens more than you might think! Your employer is appealing ESD's initial determination. Here's what you need to do to prepare: 1. Gather any documentation showing your side of the story (performance reviews, emails, etc.) 2. Write down a timeline of events leading to termination 3. Think about any witnesses who could support your version 4. Be ready to explain why you believe you were fired without just cause The hearing will be conducted by an Administrative Law Judge, usually by phone. You'll get to tell your side, your employer will tell theirs, and both can ask questions of each other. Your benefits will typically continue during the appeal process, but if your employer wins, you might face an overpayment situation where ESD asks for the money back. Don't panic though - even in that case, you can request a waiver or payment plan.
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Edison Estevez
•Thank you for the detailed steps! I'm so nervous about this. Do you know how long these hearings usually last? Should I take the whole day off work (I just started a part-time job last week)?
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Sophia Rodriguez
OMG I went through this!!! My boss fired me for "excessive absences" even though I had doctors notes for everything and ESD approved me then BAM got a hearing notice! I was freaking OUT. The hearing was actually only like 45 mins on the phone. I won my case because my ex-employer didn't even show up lol. Sometimes they just appeal hoping you wont show up for the hearing - MAKE SURE YOU ATTEND!!!
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Edison Estevez
•This makes me feel a bit better - 45 minutes doesn't sound as scary as I was imagining. I'll definitely attend! Did you have to prepare anything specific that helped you?
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Mia Green
Your employer likely appealed because their unemployment insurance rates go up when former employees collect benefits. It's purely financial for them. Make sure you're extremely prepared for this hearing - it's essentially a mini legal proceeding. Few tips from someone who's been an HR manager: 1. Stick to facts, not emotions 2. Have specific dates and examples ready 3. If they claim performance issues, ask why you never received written warnings or a PIP 4. Be respectful to the judge even if your employer makes you angry These hearings are usually scheduled for 45-60 minutes but can run shorter or longer depending on complexity.
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Emma Bianchi
•This is sooo typical of companies these days. They fire people without proper documentation then try to block their benefits to save a few dollars on their UI tax rate. Makes my blood boil! 🤬
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Lucas Kowalski
i had same thing hapn to me in january. the hearing is bcuz ur employer is apealing. u shud call esd to confirm but they probably wont answer. took me like 30 calls to get thru to a human last time i had a question.
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Olivia Martinez
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James Johnson
To answer your question about timing - typically these hearings are scheduled for 45-60 minutes. I would set aside at least 2 hours just in case it runs long. Let your part-time employer know you have a legal hearing to attend and need that time off. Also, one important thing: the hearing notice should indicate whether your employer filed the appeal (most likely) or if ESD is reviewing their own decision (less common). The notice should also outline the specific issue being appealed - make sure you understand exactly what's being contested.
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Edison Estevez
•You're right - looking at the notice more carefully, it says my employer appealed the decision. The specific issue is whether I was discharged for misconduct connected with the work. I'll definitely set aside the whole morning for this.
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Emily Nguyen-Smith
Just some advice from someone who went through this - if you're nervous about the hearing, you can actually call OAH (Office of Administrative Hearings) ahead of time and ask procedural questions. They can't give legal advice, but they can explain how the hearing will work, what to expect, etc. They're actually quite helpful! The number should be on your hearing notice.
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Lucas Kowalski
•good idea but the oah ppl can be rude 2 sometimes. i called them and got soemone who was super unhelpful.
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Emma Bianchi
Just to add something no one mentioned - RECORD EVERYTHING! Washington is a two-party consent state for recording, so you need to ask permission at the start of the hearing, but the judge will almost always allow it. Having a recording helped me tremendously when I had to fight an appeal decision later. Also, don't let your employer interrupt you - the judge should control this but sometimes they don't.
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Edison Estevez
•This is a really good idea, I hadn't thought about recording it. I'll definitely ask permission to record when we start. Thank you!
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Mia Green
Since your employer is appealing a "discharged for misconduct" case, their burden of proof is quite high. They need to prove your actions were: 1. Willful or wanton disregard of employer's interests 2. Deliberate violation of reasonable policies 3. Carelessness so severe or repeated to show intentional disregard Simple poor performance usually doesn't meet this standard. If they never gave you written warnings or improvement plans, that works strongly in your favor. Since ESD already ruled in your favor once, you're starting from a position of strength.
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Edison Estevez
•This is really helpful - I never received any written warnings or improvement plan. My manager gave me some verbal feedback a few times but nothing formal or documented. I'll emphasize this during the hearing.
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