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Chloe Taylor

ESD standby confusion - union apprentice school weeks not paying correctly

I'm losing my mind trying to navigate ESD's standby rules for my husband who's in a trade union apprenticeship program. He has mandatory training for one week every six weeks, and he's supposed to get unemployment during those periods. Out of the past 5 years, we've had payment problems for about 3 years total - something always seems to go wrong! Last time (in June), an ESD rep told me NOT to file weekly claims continuously, but instead to only reopen and claim for the specific weeks he attends training. So that's exactly what I did this month - I reopened his claim for his training week, but there's nothing showing in the system about it being processed. Then I filed for the following week too (which I maybe shouldn't have?), and suddenly it shows "excess hours" for that week. I'm at my wits end with this inconsistent system! Has anyone dealt with union apprentice training unemployment? Will he actually get paid for the training week I reopened the claim for? The bills aren't going to pay themselves while ESD figures this out!

Diego Flores

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This is a common issue with trade union apprenticeship programs. ESD has specific rules for what they call "approved training" that's different from regular standby status. When you reopen a claim, it sometimes takes 1-2 weeks to process before payment shows up in the system. DON'T panic yet. The "excess hours" for the second week makes sense if he went back to regular work after the school week - that's working as intended.

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Chloe Taylor

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Thank you so much! So should I just wait for the school week to process? Also, would there be any indicator in the system that it's being processed? Right now it just shows nothing at all for that week, which is making me nervous.

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my husbnd is in IBEW and we had same problm!!! its bcause the training weeks are under commissioner approved training but its diffrent from standby. u need to make sure the union sends the proper aproval form to ESD every time. did they send that?

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Chloe Taylor

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Wait, what form?? Nobody told us about a special form! The union just gives him a letter stating he was at training for the week. Is that not enough??

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no thats ur problem!!! the union needs 2 submit the comissioner aproved training form directly to ESD every time. call ur union rep ASAP!!

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Sean Murphy

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I work with trades unemployment issues frequently. There's some confusion here that needs clarification: 1. For union apprentice training, you need Commissioner Approved Training (CAT) status properly documented, not just standby 2. The training provider (union) must submit the proper documentation to ESD 3. You should only claim for the specific training weeks 4. The "excess hours" for the second week is correct if he returned to work The most efficient way to resolve this is to call ESD directly to verify his CAT status is properly set up in the system. The challenge is getting through to someone who understands apprenticeship training programs.

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Chloe Taylor

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Thank you for this information! I've been trying to call ESD for the past two days with no luck - either busy signals or disconnects after being on hold forever. Is there any other way to verify his CAT status? The eServices account doesn't seem to show anything about it.

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StarStrider

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Zara Malik

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does that actually work tho? last time I tried calling ESD it took me 47 tries before I got through lol

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StarStrider

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It worked for me! Got through to an agent in about 20 minutes when I had been trying for weeks on my own. They don't guarantee you'll get your issue resolved, but at least you can talk to a human who can look at your specific claim details.

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Luca Marino

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THE WHOLE ESD SYSTEM IS GARBAGE!!!! I've been dealing with the same apprenticeship BS for THREE YEARS and every single time there's a different excuse. One time they say file continuously, next time they say only file for training weeks. Then they say you need CAT status, then they say standby is fine. THEN THEY WANT MONEY BACK LATER CLAIMING YOU DID IT WRONG!!!! I'm convinced they intentionally give bad advice so they can claim overpayments later. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING - get names of agents you speak with, confirmation numbers, EVERYTHING IN WRITING!!!!

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Chloe Taylor

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Ugh, this is exactly what I was afraid of. It feels like every time I talk to someone at ESD, I get completely different instructions! I'm starting to keep detailed notes of everything now, but I wish I had been doing that from the beginning.

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Nia Davis

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This happened to my cousin too. They told him one thing then came back 6 months later saying he owed $4700 because he did it wrong. The system is totally broken.

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Diego Flores

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To clarify some confusion I'm seeing in these comments: 1. Commissioner Approved Training (CAT) and Trade Apprentice Training are actually two different programs in the ESD system. 2. For union apprenticeship training weeks, you need to have your union training coordinator contact ESD's Trade Program Unit directly, not just submit a general training letter. 3. The proper process is to reopen the claim before each training period and only claim for those specific weeks, exactly as you were instructed. 4. The system won't show processing status immediately - there's usually a lag of 5-7 business days before the system reflects the proper coding. My recommendation is to give it until the end of this week to see if the training week processes correctly. If not, you'll need to contact ESD directly to have them verify the trade apprenticeship coding is correct.

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Chloe Taylor

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This is really helpful, thank you! I'll wait until Friday to see if it processes. If it doesn't, I'll try calling again. Do you happen to know if there's a specific department or option I should select when calling to get someone who understands apprenticeship training? The general agents never seem to understand this situation.

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Diego Flores

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When you call, ask specifically for someone who handles Trade Act or Trade Apprentice programs. The regular claims agents often aren't trained on these specialized programs. You might need to be a bit persistent, but emphasize that this is a recurring union apprenticeship training situation that requires specific handling.

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Nia Davis

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wait did u say he's been doing this for 5 years?? i thought there was a time limit on unemployment benefits? can someone really collect for that long?

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Diego Flores

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This is a common misunderstanding. Trade apprenticeship programs are special cases. The apprentice isn't collecting continuous unemployment - they're only eligible during their required periodic training weeks (in this case, one week every six weeks). This is a recognized exception because these training weeks are mandatory parts of their apprenticeship program, and they're not eligible for wages during that time.

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Nia Davis

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oh ok that makes more sense. i was like dang thats a sweet deal lol

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hey what trade is ur husband in? my husbands in electrical and we FINALLY got this figured out after 2 yrs of headaches. theres specific esd ppl who handle each trade union!!

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Chloe Taylor

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He's in the pipefitters union. That's really good to know! Do you happen to have any contact info for the ESD people who handle union claims? I'd love to talk to someone who actually understands this situation.

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Sean Murphy

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Based on everything in this thread, here's what I recommend: 1. Wait 5-7 business days from when you reopened the claim to see if the training week processes automatically 2. If nothing happens by then, you need to contact ESD specifically about "Trade Apprenticeship Training" (not standby or regular CAT) 3. Ask your union training coordinator to verify they've submitted the current apprenticeship program documentation to ESD's Trade Program Unit 4. When you do get through to ESD, request that they review all previous similar claims to ensure consistency in handling 5. Ask for written confirmation of the correct procedure for future training weeks This should help prevent the cycle of conflicting information that's caused problems in the past.

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Chloe Taylor

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Thank you so much for this clear action plan! I'll follow these steps exactly. I'm meeting with the union coordinator tomorrow anyway, so I'll make sure to ask about the documentation they're sending to ESD. Hopefully we can get this sorted out once and for all!

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