Denied by ESD Commissioner after relocating due to broken pay promises - need urgent RCW 34.05.464 advice
I'm at my last appeal stage with the ESD Commissioner Review and need help fast with RCW 34.05.464 for judicial review! My situation: I relocated for my employer who promised a higher salary at the new location, but when I got there my actual pay was cut by almost 45% from what was promised. I couldn't afford housing with the reduced pay despite trying to negotiate with my boss for months (I have text messages proving this). I eventually had to resign because I literally couldn't afford to live there anymore. I've already gone through regular ESD denial, then OAH appeal (denied), and now Commissioner Review (also denied). I have just days left to file for judicial review and I have NO legal help because I've spent all my savings trying to make the relocation work before I had to quit. I'm currently job hunting while basically homeless. The denial is based on me "voluntarily quitting" but I feel this should qualify as employer-caused separation since they significantly reduced promised pay after I relocated. Has anyone navigated this RCW 34.05.464 process for judicial review? What evidence should I focus on in my filing? Are there any pro bono legal resources that could help me in the next 48 hours?
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Miguel Ortiz
First, take a deep breath. The RCW 34.05.464 judicial review is basically asking the Superior Court to review if the Commissioner made legal errors in your case. You need to focus on showing the Commissioner misapplied the law, not just that you disagree with the outcome. For your situation, pull together ALL documentation showing: 1. The original pay promise (emails, offer letter, texts) 2. Evidence of the actual reduced pay (paystubs, employment contract) 3. All communications about your housing struggle due to the pay issue 4. Documentation showing you tried to resolve this before quitting Your strongest argument is that this wasn't truly "voluntary" - it was constructive discharge due to significantly changed employment terms after relocation. The employer effectively forced you out by not honoring the promised compensation that you relied on when relocating. For free legal help, try: - Unemployment Law Project: 206-441-9178 - Your county's Volunteer Legal Services - Washington Law Help website Time is critical, so call first thing tomorrow morning.
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Ava Martinez
•Thank you so much for the detailed response. You're right that I need to focus on the legal errors rather than just disagreeing with the outcome. I'll gather all my documentation tonight. I do have texts showing the original pay promise and my paystubs showing the massive reduction. I also have emails where I explained to my boss that I couldn't afford housing with the lower pay. I'll call the Unemployment Law Project first thing tomorrow. Do you think I should mention the "constructive discharge" argument specifically in my filing? I've never heard that term before.
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Zainab Omar
man this is exactly y i always get evrything in writng with jobs. if u dont hav the pay promis in a emal or text ur probly screwd sorry 2 say. ESD is so strict about voluntary quits. they rejected my claim 2 and i had WAY beter evidence
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Ava Martinez
•I actually DO have the pay promises in texts, though not in a formal offer letter. My boss texted me the salary details before I moved, and I have all those saved. I also have texts showing me asking about the pay discrepancy after I relocated and started getting paid way less. So hopefully that's enough documentation.
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Connor Murphy
I went through a similar situation last year and successfully won my case on judicial review. The key was proving that I had no reasonable alternative but to quit - which sounds like your situation too. For the RCW 34.05.464 review, you need to specifically identify which parts of the Commissioner's decision were legally incorrect. Don't just say you disagree - point to specific RCWs or WACs that were misapplied. In your case, focus on WAC 192-150-090 (good cause for quitting - employer action or inaction creates impossible working conditions). A significant reduction in pay from what was promised when you relocated should qualify here. Make sure your petition for review is very clear and organized - judges have limited time. Create a timeline of events with references to your evidence. If you can't get a lawyer in time, at least have someone proofread your petition. Side note: I tried for weeks to reach ESD by phone to resolve my issue before going to court. Eventually used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to an actual agent in under 30 minutes. They have a demo video (https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3) that shows how it works. Might be worth trying before going to court, but you'd need to act fast.
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Yara Sayegh
•Be careful with the WAC citation. Significant reduction in pay does qualify as good cause, but the standard is either 25% reduction OR below the minimum wage for the locality. Make sure you calculate the exact percentage drop and highlight that in your filing. The courts are pretty strict about meeting those specific thresholds.
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NebulaNova
DONT WASTE UR TIME!!!! The whole system is rigged against workers. I had TONS of evidence too and the commissioner just ignored it all. They just want to save money for business owners. I spent $120 filing fee for judicial review and the judge dismissed it in like 5 minutes. Complete waste of my time and money.
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Keisha Williams
•This isn't helpful advice. While the system can be challenging, people DO win these cases when they have legitimate claims and present them properly. The OP has a situation that could qualify under specific WACs if presented correctly. Let's not discourage someone from pursuing their rights when they have a potentially valid case.
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Yara Sayegh
I work with unemployment appeals (not as a lawyer but in HR), and this seems like a strong case. For judicial review you're focusing on whether the Commissioner made an error in applying the law, not just re-arguing facts. A 45% reduction from promised wages after relocation could qualify under WAC 192-150-120 (Change in usual compensation). The standard is generally that a 25% or greater reduction can be good cause for quitting. Important points for your filing: 1. Calculate the EXACT percentage difference between promised pay and actual pay 2. Document that you attempted to resolve the issue before quitting 3. Show that continuing employment was economically unfeasible (housing costs vs. income) 4. Emphasize that you relocated specifically based on the promised compensation For the filing itself, be extremely organized. Create section headers, use bullet points, and include an evidence list with page numbers. Make it easy for the judge to find your key arguments. Time is critical though - don't miss that filing deadline!
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Ava Martinez
•Thank you! The WAC 192-150-120 citation is really helpful. I did some calculations and the difference between what was promised and what I received was 42.8% less. I definitely tried to resolve this before quitting - had at least 5 documented conversations with my manager about it over a 2-month period. And I have my apartment application showing I was approved based on the promised income, plus the notice that I couldn't renew because my actual income didn't qualify.
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Paolo Conti
Sorry about your situation pal but I'm confused about something. You said you were "overqualified" and "proved your worth" but then you also said you resigned to avoid a "toxic environment with drug users in new construction"? That part doesn't make sense with the pay reduction story. Were you in construction? Was that why the pay was lower? The commissioner might have been confused by mixed explanations too. Just saying you might want to keep your story straighter for the judicial review.
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Ava Martinez
•Sorry for the confusion. To clarify: I moved to work at a new location for the same company. When I couldn't afford to stay at that new location due to the pay cut, I considered going back to my previous jobs in my hometown (which were in construction), but those previous employers weren't willing to rehire me because I had left them to take this opportunity. And yes, part of why I had wanted to leave those previous jobs was the work environment. The pay reduction issue is the main reason I had to quit the job I relocated for.
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Miguel Ortiz
One more critical thing - for judicial review, you need to file in the county where you lived at the time of application OR in Thurston County. The filing fee is around $240, but you can request a fee waiver if you're low income (use the GR 34 form). Make sure to: 1. Name the correct parties (Commissioner and ESD must be named) 2. Properly serve all parties (you need to serve the Commissioner, ESD, and the Attorney General's office) 3. Include the complete agency record The standard of review is super important - the court will only overturn if: - Decision is outside the agency's authority - Decision is based on an error of law - Decision is not supported by substantial evidence - Decision is arbitrary and capricious Focus on the error of law aspect - specifically that the Commissioner failed to properly apply WAC 192-150-120 regarding substantial reduction in pay. With a 42.8% reduction, you're well above the 25% threshold that typically constitutes good cause.
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Ava Martinez
•Thank you so much for the additional details. I'll look up the GR 34 form today as I definitely can't afford the filing fee right now. I'll file in the county where I lived when I applied. I wasn't aware I needed to serve so many parties - that's really helpful information. I'll focus my argument specifically on the error of law regarding WAC 192-150-120 and the 42.8% pay reduction. This gives me a much clearer path forward!
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