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Liam Fitzgerald

Need ESD unemployment attorney advice for questionable disqualification - employer lying about misconduct

I was disqualified for unemployment benefits last week after my former employer claimed I was fired for misconduct. They're saying I violated company policy by accessing restricted customer data, but that's completely false! I was given access to those systems during training and used them exactly as instructed. I've worked there for 4 years with perfect performance reviews until new management came in. I tried calling ESD multiple times to explain my side but keep getting disconnected after waiting 2+ hours. The determination letter says I have until April 30th (just 10 days from now) to file an appeal, and I'm really worried about handling this alone. Their HR department is huge and I'm sure they'll send an attorney to the hearing. Has anyone worked with an unemployment attorney in Washington State for something like this? Are they worth the cost? I'm down to my last $1,200 in savings and really need the benefits to cover rent next month. Any advice on finding affordable legal help? Thank you!

GalacticGuru

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I went through something similar last year. The key is filing your appeal on time - don't miss that April 30th deadline even if you don't have an attorney yet. You can find the appeal form online through your eServices account. As for attorneys, you don't necessarily need one. The unemployment appeal hearings are less formal than court. The judge will ask questions, and both sides present their case. Make sure you gather evidence like training materials showing you were authorized to access those systems, performance reviews, and any emails/texts that support your side. The Unemployment Law Project offers free/low-cost legal help for people who can't afford private attorneys. Their number is 206-441-9178 or toll-free 1-888-441-9178. They do consultations and might be able to help with your case.

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Thank you so much! I'll definitely file the appeal right away. I didn't know about the Unemployment Law Project - I'll give them a call tomorrow morning. Did you end up representing yourself in your hearing? How did it go?

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Amara Nnamani

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u dont need a lawyr for ur first appeal!!! ESD hearing judges r pretty fair & they know employers lie ALL THE TIME to avoid UI claims on their account. just make sure u have proof ready 2 show the judge - screenshots of ur training, any emails showing u were allowed 2 do what they say u weren't, etc. also get statements from coworkers if u can!! just be organized & speak clearly. dont interrupt! they'll give u chance 2 talk. i won mine without a lawyer & got $8700 in backpay after!!

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While you can represent yourself, it's important to understand that these hearings follow specific rules and procedures. The Administrative Law Judge will expect you to present your case coherently and respond appropriately to your employer's claims. If you do go without an attorney, be sure to thoroughly prepare. Review the ESD's "Preparing for Your Unemployment Appeal Hearing" guide on their website. Practice explaining your side clearly and concisely. Focus on why your actions didn't constitute misconduct as defined in unemployment law - which is different from just being fired for cause. Document everything and submit copies ahead of time according to the instructions on your hearing notice.

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THEY ALWAYS SIDE WITH EMPLOYERS!!! The entire system is rigged against workers. I had 3 HEARINGS and lost every one even with proof my boss was lying. Don't get your hopes up. The "judges" are just ESD employees who rubber stamp whatever employers say. You should still try tho. Just saying don't count on winning.

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That's really discouraging to hear. Did you have an attorney for your hearings? I'm worried my employer will bring their legal team and I'll be completely outmatched.

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Dylan Cooper

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This is NOT true at all. I was an adjudicator for ESD for 5 years (left in 2023). The OAH judges are completely separate from ESD and review cases independently. The system definitely isn't perfect, but claiming it's "rigged" is simply wrong. About 40% of employer misconduct disqualifications get reversed on appeal when workers present their evidence properly. The key is proving you either didn't do what they claim OR that what you did doesn't meet the legal standard of misconduct, which requires willful disregard of the employer's interests.

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Sofia Morales

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Have you tried contacting ESD through their eServices message center instead of calling? I had better luck getting responses that way. When I was fighting a similar situation last year, I spent days trying to get through on the phone with no luck. I finally found out about Claimyr.com which helped me connect with an ESD agent within about 20 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3. It was a lifesaver because I was able to talk to someone who added notes to my file before my hearing showing I had tried to explain my side. Regarding attorneys - I used the free consultation from the Unemployment Law Project mentioned above, and they helped me prepare even though I represented myself at the hearing. They walked me through what to expect and how to organize my evidence. Definitely worth contacting them!

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I've tried messaging through eServices but got a generic response saying they'd review my case within 10 business days - which would be after my appeal deadline. I'll check out Claimyr right now! I really need to talk to someone at ESD before filing my appeal so I can understand exactly why they sided with my employer.

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StarSailor

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I had this exact issue last month!!! my supervisor gave me access to the customer database then later claimed i wasn't supposed to have it. total setup. anyway, what worked for me was getting a statement from a coworker who confirmed i was trained to use that system. do you have anyone who can back up your story?

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That's very similar to my situation! Yes, I have two former coworkers who went through the same training and were given the same access. One of them already said she'd write a statement for me. Did you just have your coworker write a letter, or did they testify at your hearing?

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StarSailor

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they wrote a statement AND testified at my hearing. the judge seemed to find it really convincing to hear from someone else who worked there. definitely get those statements in writing before the hearing and submit them as evidence. and make sure ur coworkers know they might get called to testify if u list them as witnesses!

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Former ESD appeal attorney here. The deadline to appeal is critical - file it even if you're still gathering evidence. You can always withdraw if needed. For your specific situation (alleged unauthorized data access), you'll need to prove: 1. You were authorized to access the systems in question 2. You used them for legitimate work purposes 3. You didn't violate any clearly communicated policies The legal standard for misconduct in Washington requires that your actions were: - Willful or wanton - Deliberately violating employer interests - Showing substantial disregard for your employment obligations If this was simply a misunderstanding about what systems you were allowed to use, that typically doesn't rise to misconduct level. Make sure you emphasize your 4-year positive work history and perfect performance reviews. As for legal representation, the Unemployment Law Project is excellent and offers sliding scale fees. Call them at 206-441-9178 or visit unemploymentlawproject.org.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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wow u seem like u really know ur stuff! do u still work with unemployment cases? my sister is about to have a hearing next month and could use some advice

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I now work in private practice but still handle some unemployment cases. I'd recommend your sister also contact the Unemployment Law Project for a free initial consultation. They can assess her case and provide guidance even if she decides to represent herself.

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GalacticGuru

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One thing that really helped me win my appeal was printing out the actual RCW (state law) definition of misconduct and bringing it to my hearing. It's RCW 50.04.294 if you want to look it up. The legal definition is much narrower than what most employers think. Most importantly, if this was just a misunderstanding about which systems you were authorized to use, that's likely NOT misconduct under the law. Misconduct requires you to deliberately disregard your employer's interests. Bring any training materials or emails showing you were given access to these systems. If you have performance reviews showing you were a good employee, bring those too - they help show you wouldn't deliberately violate policy. Oh, and if you decide to get an attorney, many will do a free consultation to evaluate your case. Some work on contingency (only get paid if you win).

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This is incredibly helpful! I just looked up RCW 50.04.294 and you're right - it's much more specific than I thought. It says misconduct doesn't include "inadvertence or ordinary negligence in isolated instances" or "good faith errors in judgment" - which is exactly what happened in my case if anything. I'll definitely print this out for my hearing.

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