Denied ESD benefits for 'not meeting job standards' - No misconduct, just performance issues
I'm freaking out a bit here. I got let go from my accounting job at a small firm after 8 months because I wasn't meeting their performance metrics. There was no misconduct, no warnings for attendance, no policy violations - I just wasn't processing enough accounts per day to meet their quotas. My boss said I was 'too methodical' and they needed someone faster. I applied for unemployment and just got the determination letter saying I'm DENIED because I was 'discharged for not meeting the employer's performance standards.' The letter mentions something about RCW 50.04.294 and says this counts as misconduct?? How is this misconduct when I was literally trying my best every day? Has anyone successfully appealed this kind of denial? I'm seriously worried about making rent next month if I can't get this fixed.
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Abby Marshall
You definitely should appeal this decision! Performance issues alone are NOT misconduct under Washington unemployment law unless your employer can prove you deliberately performed poorly. The key is whether your performance issues were within your control or not. I went through almost the exact same situation when I was let go from a call center for not meeting their ridiculous call quotas. I appealed and explained in the hearing that I was genuinely trying my best to meet expectations but simply couldn't work faster without making errors. The judge ruled in my favor because there was no willful disregard of my employer's interests. File your appeal within 30 days of the determination letter date. In your appeal letter, emphasize that you were making a good faith effort to perform your job duties correctly. Explain that you were never warned about misconduct, just that you weren't fast enough despite trying your best.
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Vanessa Figueroa
•Thank you SO much for this response. I was starting to think I was crazy! I've been staring at this determination letter all day feeling horrible. I'm definitely going to appeal - would it help to get a statement from my former coworkers about how I was always trying my best? I'm just worried my former boss is going to make it sound like I was deliberately doing a poor job when I absolutely wasn't.
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Sadie Benitez
same thing happen to me!! i got fired from amazon warehouse for not meeting there productivity metrics and esd denied me at first. took me 3 appeals and a hearing before i got my benefits. the key is if u were TRYING to do good or if u were being lazy on purpose. bring any evidence u have that shows u were trying ur best
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Drew Hathaway
•This is correct. Under Washington unemployment law, performance issues alone don't constitute misconduct unless they involve deliberate violations or disregard for the employer's interests. Simple inability to meet standards despite genuine effort is NOT misconduct. For your appeal, you'll want to focus on these key points: 1. You were genuinely trying to perform well (not deliberately underperforming) 2. You never received formal disciplinary action for misconduct 3. The issue was speed/output, not violation of policies 4. You never deliberately disregarded employer instructions The hearing judge will focus on whether your actions constituted "willful or wanton disregard" of the employer's interest as defined in RCW 50.04.294. Being genuinely unable to meet performance metrics despite good faith efforts is generally not considered misconduct.
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Laila Prince
OMG this exact thing happened to my cousin last year. ESD is so annoying sometimes!!
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Isabel Vega
I would DEFINITELY appeal this. ESD often sides with employers initially, but the appeal process actually gives you a fair shot. I've heard of many people winning on appeal for performance-related terminations. Also, if you're having trouble getting through to ESD while waiting for your appeal (which you'll probably need to do to check status), I recently discovered a service called Claimyr that got me through to an actual ESD agent in less than 30 minutes when I'd been trying for WEEKS on my own. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/7DieNd3C7zQ?si=26TzE_zGms-DODN3 and their website is claimyr.com. Totally worth it when you're dealing with something this important and time-sensitive.
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Vanessa Figueroa
•Thanks for the tip! I've been calling ESD every day this week and can't get through. Either busy signals or the automated system just hangs up on me. I'll check out that service because I have so many questions about how to prepare for this appeal. Has anyone here actually gone through an unemployment appeal hearing? Is it super formal or more like a conversation?
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Dominique Adams
ESD ALWAYS denies people first!!! It's their standard operating procedure. They hope people will just give up and not appeal. I've been through the system 3 times now and have learned it's all about how you frame your case. Did the employer document the performance issues properly? Did they have a progressive discipline policy they followed? Were you given warnings? Were you offered additional training or help to improve? If the answer to any of these is NO, make sure to highlight that in your appeal! When a company has performance standards, they need to show they gave you proper notice and opportunity to improve. If they just fired you without a documented improvement plan, that works in your favor for unemployment purposes.
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Marilyn Dixon
•ths not true that ESD denies everyone. i got approved right away after getting laid off from my job. but they do seem to deny alot of the complicated cases at first
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Drew Hathaway
Washington state law makes an important distinction between misconduct and poor performance. Per RCW 50.04.294, misconduct requires a willful or wanton disregard of the employer's interest. Simple inability to meet performance standards, despite genuine effort, is NOT misconduct. Your appeal hearing will be conducted by an Administrative Law Judge. It's somewhat formal, but not like a courtroom. You'll be sworn in, and both you and your former employer will have the opportunity to present your case and evidence. The key is preparation: 1. Gather any performance reviews that show you were trying 2. Prepare a timeline of your employment and any discussions about performance 3. Be ready to specifically explain how you were trying your best to meet standards 4. If you never received warnings for misconduct (as opposed to performance coaching), highlight this The hearing notice will provide instructions for submitting evidence beforehand. Make sure to follow these instructions precisely so your evidence is considered.
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Vanessa Figueroa
•This is incredibly helpful, thank you! My employer did give me a 90-day performance improvement plan, but it was all focused on speed metrics, not misconduct or policy violations. I have copies of all my performance reviews which show I was meeting or exceeding in accuracy, customer service, and attendance - just not in processing speed. I'll definitely include those in my appeal.
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Louisa Ramirez
I'm a little confused by the responses here... doesn't it depend on what kind of performance issues we're talking about? I mean if the OP was just slow but accurate that's different than if they were making careless mistakes or ignoring training, right? The law makes distinction between incapability and carelessness I think.
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Abby Marshall
•You're absolutely right - the distinction is important. Under WA unemployment law, there are different categories: 1. Ordinary negligence (occasional mistakes) - NOT misconduct 2. Good faith errors in judgment - NOT misconduct 3. Inability to meet standards despite trying - NOT misconduct 4. Deliberate violations or gross negligence - IS misconduct From what OP described (being 'too methodical' and not fast enough), this sounds like category #3, which should not disqualify them from benefits. That's why an appeal is likely to succeed in this case.
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Isabel Vega
Not directly related to your question but make sure you continue filing your weekly claims while you appeal! This is super important. If you win your appeal, they'll only pay you for weeks you filed claims. I learned this the hard way when I had a similar situation.
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Vanessa Figueroa
•Oh wow - I hadn't even thought of that. Thank you for mentioning it! I'll make sure to keep filing each week even while waiting for the appeal. I just filed my first weekly claim yesterday (before getting the denial), so I'll keep doing that.
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Sadie Benitez
dont forget you need to do those job search activities too while waiting!!! 3 per week!! even with a pending appeal
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Drew Hathaway
One more important point: in your appeal, use the specific language from the law that works in your favor. RCW 50.04.294(2)(b) specifically states that "inability to meet the minimum job performance standards or requirements of the position" is NOT misconduct when it's about capability rather than attitude. Quoting the exact legal statute that supports your case can be very effective in these hearings, as it shows you understand the legal basis for your appeal. The judge will be evaluating your case based on these specific legal definitions.
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Millie Long
I went through something very similar when I was let go from a data entry position for not meeting their speed requirements. Like you, I was accurate but just couldn't work as fast as they wanted despite genuinely trying my best every day. ESD initially denied me too, citing the same performance standards reasoning. The good news is I won my appeal! The key was demonstrating that I was making a good faith effort and that my "poor performance" was about capability, not willful misconduct. I brought documentation showing my accuracy rates were actually above average and that I had never been disciplined for anything other than speed. During the hearing, I emphasized that being "too methodical" (which sounds exactly like what your boss said about you) isn't misconduct - it's actually trying to do quality work! The judge agreed that struggling with speed while maintaining accuracy doesn't constitute willful disregard of the employer's interests. Make sure to appeal within the 30-day deadline and gather any evidence that shows you were trying to do good work. Performance reviews, emails about your accuracy, anything that demonstrates good faith effort. You've got a strong case here!
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Fatima Al-Sayed
•This gives me so much hope! Thank you for sharing your experience. It's really reassuring to hear from someone who went through almost the exact same situation and won. I'm definitely going to emphasize the "methodical vs. misconduct" angle in my appeal - that's such a good way to frame it. Did you have a lawyer for your hearing or did you represent yourself? I'm trying to figure out if I need legal help or if I can handle this on my own with all the great advice everyone has given here.
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