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Carmen Reyes

Can a sole proprietor collect unemployment benefits in Washington?

I've been running my own consulting business as a sole proprietor for the past 3 years, but work has completely dried up since the beginning of this year. A friend told me that sole proprietors might be able to collect unemployment now, but I'm not sure if that's true or how it would work. Has anyone who was self-employed been able to get Washington ESD benefits? I'm really struggling financially and need to know if this is even an option for me.

Unfortunately, traditional unemployment benefits through Washington ESD are only available to employees who worked for employers that paid unemployment taxes. As a sole proprietor, you haven't been paying into the unemployment system, so you wouldn't qualify for regular UI benefits. However, you might want to look into other assistance programs.

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That's what I was afraid of. Are there any other programs that might help someone in my situation?

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You could check with DSHS for other assistance programs like food assistance or temporary cash assistance. Also, some local organizations offer emergency financial help for small business owners.

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Wait, I thought there was some program during COVID that helped self-employed people? My brother got unemployment and he was a freelancer.

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You're thinking of PUA (Pandemic Unemployment Assistance) but that program ended in September 2021. It was a temporary federal program specifically for the pandemic.

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Oh darn, I was hoping that was still available. That would have been perfect.

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Actually, there might be options depending on how your business was structured. If you ever paid yourself wages and had unemployment taxes withheld, you could potentially qualify. Also, if you did any W-2 work in addition to your sole proprietorship, those wages could count toward a claim.

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I did some contract work last year where I got 1099s, but no W-2s. Would that count for anything?

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Unfortunately, 1099 income doesn't count toward unemployment eligibility since no unemployment taxes were paid on it. You need W-2 wages from covered employment.

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This is so frustrating! I've been trying to get through to Washington ESD for weeks to ask about this exact question. Their phone lines are always busy and I can never reach a real person. Has anyone found a way to actually talk to someone there?

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Have you considered filing anyway just to see what happens? Sometimes there are special circumstances that might qualify you that aren't obvious from the general rules.

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I wouldn't recommend that approach. If you don't meet the basic eligibility requirements, you'll just waste time and potentially create issues with false claims.

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Fair point, I was just thinking there might be edge cases we don't know about.

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ugh this is exactly why the unemployment system is broken. small business owners pay taxes too but get nothing when we need help

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I understand the frustration, but sole proprietors don't pay unemployment taxes on their own earnings - only on employees they hire. The system is designed for employer-employee relationships.

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still doesn't make it right. we're left out in the cold when business goes bad

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So to clarify - if I wanted to potentially qualify for unemployment in the future, I'd need to either incorporate and pay myself wages, or find some W-2 employment in addition to my business?

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Exactly. If you incorporate and elect to pay unemployment taxes on your wages as an officer/owner, you could potentially qualify. Or any W-2 wages you earn would count toward a future claim.

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That's good to know for planning purposes. Wish I had known this a few years ago.

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I was in a similar situation last year. What really helped was reaching out to SCORE for business counseling and looking into local small business emergency funds. Some cities and counties have programs specifically for struggling small businesses.

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That's a great suggestion! I hadn't thought about local programs. I'll definitely look into what's available in my area.

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Also check with your local chamber of commerce - they often know about resources that aren't widely advertised.

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What about if you had employees and paid unemployment taxes for them? Does that create any eligibility for the business owner?

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No, paying unemployment taxes for employees doesn't create eligibility for the business owner unless the owner is also paying themselves wages subject to unemployment tax.

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Got it, thanks for clarifying that.

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this whole thing is confusing. seems like every state has different rules too

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While the basic structure is similar across states, there can be differences in specific rules and benefit amounts. Best to check with your state's unemployment agency for definitive answers.

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I've been following this thread and wanted to add that if you're considering incorporating just for unemployment benefits, make sure to weigh all the costs and tax implications. It might not be worth it depending on your situation.

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Good point. I should probably talk to an accountant about the overall impact before making any structural changes to my business.

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Exactly. There are pros and cons to incorporating that go way beyond just unemployment eligibility.

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Someone mentioned Claimyr earlier - I actually used them when I had questions about my regular unemployment claim. It really does work for getting through to Washington ESD when you can't reach them otherwise.

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Thanks for the confirmation! I'm definitely going to try that. These phone lines are impossible otherwise.

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Quick question - if someone was a sole proprietor but also did some part-time W-2 work, how much W-2 income would they need to qualify for unemployment?

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In Washington, you need wages in at least two quarters of your base period, and your total wages must meet the minimum threshold. For 2025, you need at least $7,000 in your highest quarter and total wages of at least 1.25 times your highest quarter.

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That's really helpful! So even part-time W-2 work could potentially qualify someone if they earned enough.

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I hate to say it but this is why I kept my part-time job even after my consulting business took off. Having that W-2 income gives me a safety net.

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That's really smart planning. I wish I had thought about that when I first went full-time with my business.

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For what it's worth, some states are starting to explore unemployment programs for gig workers and self-employed people. Maybe Washington will follow suit eventually.

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That would require significant changes to state law and funding mechanisms. It's possible but would likely take years to implement if it ever happens.

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I went through this same situation two years ago. The reality is that as sole proprietors, we're on our own when business slows down. I ended up taking a part-time retail job just to have some income coming in.

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That might be what I need to do too. Thanks for sharing your experience - it helps to know I'm not alone in this situation.

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Before giving up completely, might be worth having an actual conversation with Washington ESD to make sure there aren't any special circumstances or programs you might qualify for. Rules can be complex and there might be something we're missing.

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That's exactly why I need to get through to them! I keep hitting busy signals though.

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Definitely try that Claimyr service - it's the only way I've been able to reach Washington ESD lately. Check out claimyr.com and see if it works for you.

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Just wanted to add that if you do end up needing to find part-time work, WorkSourceWA has resources for job searching and sometimes training programs that could help you transition.

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Thanks for the tip! I'll check out their website and see what's available.

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This thread has been really informative. I'm in a similar boat as a freelance graphic designer. Sounds like I need to start planning for the future differently.

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Glad it helped! I definitely learned a lot from everyone's responses too.

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One last thought - if your business does pick back up, you might want to consider setting aside some money each month as your own 'unemployment fund' since you can't rely on the state system.

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That's excellent advice. Building my own emergency fund should definitely be a priority once things improve.

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Exactly! Think of it as self-insurance since we don't have the safety net that employees have.

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Thanks everyone for all the helpful information. This has been way more informative than anything I could find on the Washington ESD website.

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Happy to help! Feel free to ask if you have any other questions about unemployment eligibility or benefits.

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