Will my teacher's pension reduce my Social Security benefits if I claim at 65 for Medicare?
I'm turning 65 in a few months and need to apply for Medicare, which means I also need to file for Social Security. Currently, I receive about $25,000 annually from my teacher's pension after retiring from education. When I talked to SSA, they mentioned something about not being able to earn more than $23,400 if I'm working while collecting benefits. Does my teacher's pension count as 'earnings' under this limit? Will my Social Security check be reduced because of my pension? I originally planned to wait until my Full Retirement Age at 67, but health issues are forcing me to get Medicare now. I'm really confused about the Windfall Elimination Provision and Government Pension Offset rules and whether they apply to my situation. Has anyone dealt with this teacher pension/Social Security coordination issue before?
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Giovanni Greco
your teacher pension doesnt count under the earnings limit, thats only for wages from a JOB. but you might get hit by WEP which is different...depends if you paid into SS during your teaching career or if you were exempt from SS taxes
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Amara Eze
•Thank you for that clarification! I didn't pay into Social Security during my 22 years of teaching (we had a separate state system), but I did work other jobs before teaching where I paid into Social Security for about 12 years. Does that mean WEP will affect me?
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Fatima Al-Farsi
Just went through this exact situation last year with my wife. You don't have to apply for Social Security just because you're applying for Medicare! You can enroll in Medicare at 65 without taking SS benefits. This way you can still wait until 67 for your higher SS amount.
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Amara Eze
•Wait, really?? The person I spoke with at Social Security definitely told me I had to apply for both. This would be amazing news if true. Did your wife just apply for Medicare only? How did she do that?
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Dylan Wright
•The previous commenter is correct - you absolutely CAN apply for Medicare at 65 without taking Social Security benefits. This is a common misconception, even among some SSA representatives. You should specifically request Medicare-only enrollment. This allows you to get your health coverage while still delaying your Social Security retirement benefits until your FRA (67) or even age 70 for maximum benefits.
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Sofia Torres
THE SSA OFFICE IS GIVING YOU WRONG INFO!!! This happens ALL THE TIME with teacher pensions! If you worked 22 years not paying into SS and only 12 years paying in, you're definitely gonna get hit with WEP and probably GPO too. They'll reduce your SS benefit by like 40-50%!!! The system is RIGGED against teachers and other public servants!!!
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GalacticGuardian
•While there is some truth to your concerns about WEP and GPO, the reduction isn't quite as severe as you're suggesting. With 12 years (assuming 40+ quarters) of substantial earnings under Social Security, the WEP reduction would be limited. The maximum WEP reduction for someone turning 65 in 2025 would be about $626 per month, but with 12 years of substantial SS-covered employment, it would be less. GPO would only apply to spousal or survivor benefits, not to the original poster's own retirement benefits. I'd recommend using the WEP calculator on SSA's website to get a personalized estimate.
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Dmitry Smirnov
If you're struggling to get clear information from Social Security about your teacher pension situation, I'd recommend using Claimyr (claimyr.com). I was in a similar situation with pension questions and spent weeks trying to reach someone at SSA. Claimyr got me connected to an agent in about 15 minutes instead of waiting on hold for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. The agent I spoke with was able to calculate my specific WEP reduction based on my actual earnings record, which was much more helpful than guessing.
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Giovanni Greco
•does this actually work? i tried calling SSA like 6 times last month and kept getting disconnected
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Dmitry Smirnov
•Yes, it absolutely works. I was skeptical too, but after my fourth disconnection trying to get WEP information, I gave it a try. Was connected to an SSA agent in about 20 minutes, and they stayed on the line until all my questions were answered.
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Ava Rodriguez
Just to add some confusion to the mix lol, the earnings limit for 2025 is actually $24,960 (they increase it every year), not $23,400. But as others said, your pension doesn't count toward this limit anyway. If you DO decide to take SS at 65, only work income counts toward the earnings limit. And the limit is higher in the year you reach FRA, and then goes away completely once you hit FRA.
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Amara Eze
•Thanks for the updated figure! I'm actually considering a part-time tutoring job that would pay about $12,000 a year. So even if I do take SS early, I'd still be well under that earnings limit.
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Dylan Wright
Let me clarify some key points about your situation: 1. Pension and Earnings Test: Your teacher's pension does NOT count toward the annual earnings limit ($24,960 for 2025). The earnings test only applies to wages or self-employment income. 2. Medicare Enrollment: You can enroll in Medicare at 65 WITHOUT applying for Social Security benefits. You can apply for Medicare-only by indicating this preference on the application. 3. Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP): Since you mentioned 12 years of Social Security-covered employment and 22 years in a non-covered teaching position, WEP will likely reduce your Social Security benefit. However, with 12 years of substantial earnings under Social Security, the reduction will be less than the maximum. 4. Government Pension Offset (GPO): This only affects spousal or survivor benefits, not your own Social Security retirement benefits. I recommend requesting your Social Security Statement online at ssa.gov to see your projected benefit amount with the WEP reduction already calculated.
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Fatima Al-Farsi
•Just adding to this excellent explanation - when my wife enrolled in Medicare without SS, we had to specifically tell them we wanted Medicare only. The default assumption is that you want both. Be prepared to be very clear about this when you apply!
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Miguel Diaz
my uncle waited til 70 to collect his SS even though he got medicare at 65. got an extra 30% on his monthly check cuz he waited! smart move if you can afford to wait
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Amara Eze
•That's my ideal scenario! I was just misinformed that I had to take both at the same time. If I can get Medicare now and wait on SS until 67 or even 70, that would be wonderful.
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GalacticGuardian
One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is that if you decide to apply for Medicare only at 65, you'll need to pay the Medicare Part B premiums directly (they won't be deducted from your Social Security payment since you won't be receiving one yet). In 2025, the standard Part B premium is projected to be around $185-$190 per month, though it could be higher depending on your income. You'll receive quarterly bills from Medicare or can set up automatic payments from your bank account. Just something to budget for!
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Amara Eze
•That's a really helpful point I hadn't considered. I'll make sure to budget for paying those premiums directly. Is the process for setting up automatic payments straightforward?
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GalacticGuardian
•Yes, it's fairly simple. Medicare offers a program called Medicare Easy Pay, which allows automatic deductions from your checking or savings account. When you receive your first Medicare premium bill, it will include instructions for enrolling in Easy Pay. You'll need your Medicare number, bank information, and to complete a short form (SF-5510). You can also pay by credit card, check, or through your bank's online bill pay service.
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