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Will Social Security reduce my FRA benefit with 20-year gap in earnings and foreign pension after WEP repeal?

Hi everyone, I'm trying to figure out my retirement situation and feeling a bit confused about how my unusual work history will affect my Social Security benefits. I'm 66 now and still employed, but my earnings record looks like Swiss cheese - I've got earnings from 1981-1990, then absolutely nothing from 1991-2011 (I was working in Australia during that time and contributing to their retirement system), then back to US earnings from 2012 until now (2024). I definitely have my 40 credits, but I'm worried about the 35-year calculation since I have this massive gap. Will my estimated retirement benefit shown on my Social Security statement get slashed when I reach my FRA? Also, since the WEP repeal passed, does anyone know if there are other potential reductions I should worry about because of my foreign pension from Australia? I keep hearing different things from different people and it's driving me nuts.

Nora Brooks

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Your benefit WILL be lower than someone who had stable earnings for 35 years, but that's already factored into your Social Security statement estimate. SSA calculates your benefit using your highest 35 years of earnings (adjusted for inflation). Any years you don't have US earnings simply count as $0 in the calculation, bringing down your average. Your foreign pension would have been subject to WEP before the repeal, but now you're in luck - no reduction for that! Just be aware that if you haven't reached your FRA yet, your estimated benefit assumes you'll continue working at your current earnings level until FRA.

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Jayden Reed

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Thank you! That makes me feel better about the estimate I'm seeing. So to clarify - the estimate on my statement ALREADY accounts for those zero years? I thought maybe they were using some formula that assumed consistent work or something. And great news about no more WEP reduction!

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Eli Wang

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same boat here! worked in Canada for 13 yrs and was worried sick about WEP... such a relief they finally repealed that unfair penalty! i have gaps in my record too and my SS is definitely lower than friends who worked steady in the US

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WEP repeal is ONLY for new claims!!! If you already had WEP applied to your benefits before the repeal passed, you're STILL stuck with the reduction! The SSA is NOT going back and fixing existing claims! This system is designed to PUNISH us at every turn! I've been fighting my WEP reduction for YEARS and this repeal does NOTHING for people already affected!!!

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The key to understanding your situation lies in how Social Security calculates your Primary Insurance Amount (PIA). They take your highest 35 years of earnings, index them for inflation, and then average them to determine your Average Indexed Monthly Earnings (AIME). Years with zero earnings DO count as zeros in this calculation. Your Social Security statement is showing an estimate based on your actual earnings history including those zero years from 1991-2011. So yes, those missing years are already factored into your estimate. The good news about WEP repeal is that your Australian pension won't reduce your benefit further. However, there's still the Windfall Elimination Provision's cousin - the Government Pension Offset (GPO) - which could affect benefits if you're claiming spousal or survivor benefits while receiving a foreign pension. But it doesn't impact your own retirement benefits.

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Jayden Reed

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! So the estimate I see already includes the zeros - that's reassuring. I'm not planning on claiming any spousal benefits, just my own retirement, so sounds like GPO won't be an issue for me. Each year I work now is replacing a zero year, right? So working a few more years should boost my benefit?

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my brother had gaps too and his check is tiny! only like $1400 a month even though he worked hard his whole life except when he was in germany. system is rigged

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Nora Brooks

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The system isn't rigged - it's just designed to base benefits on your US earnings history. Those who have fewer years of US earnings will naturally receive lower benefits. That's why continuing to work now is valuable for the original poster - each additional year replaces a $0 year in the calculation.

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Ethan Scott

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I went through something similar with my work history split between the US and UK. Trying to get answers from SSA was impossible - hours on hold only to get disconnected or told different information each time. I finally used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an actual SSA representative. It let me schedule a callback without the endless wait. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Once I got through, I learned that yes, my estimate already included the zero years, and each additional year I worked would improve my benefit by replacing a zero. With WEP gone, your foreign pension won't reduce your US benefit further. Worth getting official confirmation directly from SSA though!

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Eli Wang

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does this actually work?? i've been trying to talk to someone at SSA for weeks!!

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Ethan Scott

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Yes, it worked for me after I wasted days trying to get through on my own. You don't spend hours listening to hold music - you just get a call when an agent is available. Made a huge difference in getting my questions answered.

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Lola Perez

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Don't forget that overseas earnings might count toward US Social Security under certain totalization agreements. I think Australia has one with the US. You should check if some of those foreign years might actually count toward your US benefit.

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Good point about totalization agreements, but there's an important distinction to make here. These agreements allow earnings in foreign countries to count toward eligibility (the 40 credits/quarters requirement), but they don't actually increase the amount of your benefit. The OP already has their 40 credits, so totalization won't help increase their benefit amount.

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Jayden Reed

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Thanks everyone for your helpful responses! This has been really educational. So it sounds like my statement estimate already factors in my zero years, which is a relief. And with WEP repealed, I won't see a reduction based on my Australian pension. Each year I work now basically replaces a zero year in my calculation, which should boost my benefit. I'll try to get through to SSA to confirm all this (maybe using that Claimyr service if I can't get through the normal channels). Really appreciate all your insights!

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good luck! just dont expect to get rich on SS lol

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