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Will I really only get 32.5% of my husband's Social Security benefit as a spouse with insufficient credits?

I've been trying to figure out our retirement strategy and I'm confused about spousal benefits. My husband has worked his whole life, but I've mostly been self-employed part-time and don't have the 40 credits needed for my own Social Security retirement benefit. We're both approaching 60 and planning ahead. From what I've researched, if my husband claims at 62, he'd get 70% of his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount). And as his spouse, if I also claim at 62, I'd get 32.5% of his PIA. Both percentages would increase if we wait longer to file. I'm particularly concerned about these permanent reductions - especially for survivor benefits if he passes away first. Am I understanding these calculations correctly? The SSA website is so confusing when trying to figure out these percentages and I want to make sure we're making the right decisions about when to file.

Your percentages are off. Spouse gets 50% of other spouse's PIA at their FRA, not 70%. The 70% is what your husband gets at 62 if his FRA is 67. And spouses don't get 32.5% - it's 35% at age 62 (if your FRA is 67). The reduction is calculated differently for retirement vs spousal.

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Thanks for the correction! I'm still confused though. So if my husband's PIA is $2,500, and he claims at 62, he'd get $1,750 (70% of PIA). But for me as a spouse claiming at 62, I'd get 35% of his $2,500 PIA, which is $875? Is that right?

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Let me clarify how this actually works, since there's some confusion here: 1. Your husband's benefit at his Full Retirement Age (FRA) would be 100% of his PIA. If he claims at 62 and his FRA is 67, he'd receive approximately 70% of his PIA. 2. As a spouse with insufficient credits, you're eligible for spousal benefits. At YOUR full retirement age, you can receive 50% of his PIA (not his reduced benefit). 3. If you claim spousal benefits early at 62, you'd receive approximately 32.5-35% of his PIA (depending on your exact FRA). 4. For survivor benefits: If he passes away, you could receive up to 100% of what he was ACTUALLY receiving (including any reductions), not his PIA. But claiming survivor benefits early also creates reductions. The key thing to understand is that all these calculations are based on his PIA, not on his reduced benefit amount if he files early.

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Thank you! This makes much more sense now. So the calculations are all based on his PIA regardless of when he actually files. One more question - does it matter when he files for me to get the spousal benefit? Or can I still claim the spousal benefit even if he hasn't filed yet?

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One thing nobody mentioned yet - for survivor benefits, timing really matters. If your husband claims at 62 and gets that 30% reduction, and then passes away, your survivor benefit would be based on that reduced amount! That's why some couples have the higher-earning spouse delay as long as possible, even if the lower-earning spouse claims early. It's called maximizing the survivor benefit.

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This is smart advice! My financial advisor told us the same thing. My husband delayed til 70 and I claimed at 62. Best of both worlds!!

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WRONG INFO BEING SHARED HERE! For survivor benefits you get what your deceased spouse was receiving OR 82.5% of their PIA if they died before filing, whichever is HIGHER! This is different from spousal benefits!!! I know because I'm a widow dealing with this exact situation. The SS reps explained it all to me when my husband passed last year.

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You're absolutely right about the widow(er) benefit having different rules than spousal benefits. If someone is already receiving spousal benefits when their spouse dies, they'll be automatically converted to survivor benefits if those would be higher. The 82.5% rule applies in specific situations. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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Thank you for this suggestion! I've been trying to reach SSA for days and keep getting disconnected. I'll definitely check this out - I really need to speak with someone directly about our situation.

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this is why the system is so UNFAIR... i worked part time for 30 years while raising kids but only have 36 credits so i get almost NOTHING compared to if i had just 4 more credits!!! meanwhile my neighbor worked exactly 10 years got her 40 credits and gets full benefits!!! the whole credit system needs to be revised for people who worked but just missed the cutoff

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I feel your frustration but that's not quite right. Even with 40 credits, your benefit would still be pretty small with only 10 years of work because SS calculates based on your 35 highest earning years. Years with zero earnings bring down your average significantly.

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Something nobody has mentioned yet - if you're younger than your husband, you might want to consider how the age gap affects your strategy. If he's significantly older, it might make sense for him to file later even if you file for spousal benefits early. The math gets complicated with age differences.

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That's a good point. He's actually 3 years older than me. Does that change what our strategy should be?

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To answer your follow-up question: You generally cannot claim spousal benefits until your spouse has filed for their own retirement benefits. There used to be a strategy called "file and suspend" that allowed this, but it was eliminated by legislation in 2015. With a 3-year age gap, you might consider having your husband delay filing until closer to his FRA, while you wait until you reach 62 (when he'll be 65) to file for spousal benefits. This balances some early filing reduction with getting benefits sooner rather than later. Just remember: every year you wait (up to age 70 for retirement benefits), your monthly payments increase. But there's no advantage to waiting beyond your FRA for spousal benefits - they don't grow after you reach your FRA.

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This is incredibly helpful! I had no idea spousal benefits don't grow after FRA - that's a crucial piece of information. We'll definitely factor this into our planning. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain all this.

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