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Natalie Khan

Social Security survivor benefits for young widow with 3 kids - income limits and future eligibility questions

I lost my husband 8 months ago when he was just 51. I'm 41 with three kids (15, 13, and 11). We're currently receiving survivor benefits for the children until they each turn 18 or graduate high school. I've stayed home to care for them during this difficult transition, but I'm thinking about returning to work once my oldest can drive everyone to school. I have several questions about how this might affect our benefits: 1) Is there an earnings limit for me as a widow receiving mother's/father's benefits? Will my income reduce what my children receive? 2) What happens to everything after my youngest turns 18? Do I just wait until I'm 60 for early widow benefits? Or should I wait until 62 for my own retirement? 3) Are there any other survivor benefit options or considerations I should know about that I might be missing? This whole process has been overwhelming and I'm trying to plan for the future. Thanks in advance for any guidance!

Daryl Bright

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I'm so sorry for your loss. To answer your questions: 1) Yes, there is an earnings limit if you're receiving mother's benefits (which it sounds like you are). For 2025, you can earn up to about $22,800 before your benefits are reduced. This is only for YOUR benefit though - your children's survivor benefits are not affected by your earnings. 2) After all children age out (turn 18 or 19 if still in high school), your mother's benefits will stop. Then you'd have a gap until you can claim widow's benefits at 60 (reduced) or wait until your Full Retirement Age (probably 67) for full widow's benefits based on your husband's record. You could alternatively claim your own retirement at 62 if that would be higher. 3) Look into whether you might qualify for the Lump Sum Death Payment if you haven't already received it. Also, consider meeting with a Social Security representative to create a long-term plan - your situation with different age children and potential benefit types needs personalized guidance.

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Natalie Khan

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Thank you so much for this detailed response. I wasn't aware my earnings would only affect my portion and not the kids' benefits - that's a relief! Do you know if the earnings limit is calculated annually or monthly? And if I go over, do they just reduce the benefits proportionally or cut them off completely?

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Sienna Gomez

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Adding to what was said above, make sure you keep good records of all your earnings if you start working. SSA looks at annual earnings but they apply reductions monthly. They'll deduct $1 in benefits for every $2 you earn above that limit. Also important - the year you reach your Full Retirement Age (FRA), the earnings limit jumps much higher and then disappears completely the month you reach FRA. So your long-term planning should definitely factor this in. I had to navigate this same situation when my spouse passed. The planning gets complicated with the gap years between when kids age out and when you can claim widow benefits.

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wait but is her full retirement age 67 or does that change for widows? i thought widows could get full benefits earlier than regular retirement?

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Daryl Bright

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@profile6 - Good question! The Full Retirement Age for widow(er)s is different than for retirement benefits. For someone who is 41 now, their regular FRA would be 67, but for widow benefits it's likely around 66 and 10 months (depends on birth year). So yes, widow benefits reach full amount earlier than regular retirement benefits.

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Natalie Khan

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This is getting complicated. So I'd have different FRAs for different benefits? Is there somewhere I can see all this information specific to my situation written down? I've tried looking at the SSA website but it's really overwhelming.

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my husband died when i was 39 with 3 kids too. the thing nobody told me is that u should KEEP RECORDS OF EVERYTHING. social security made mistakes twice with my benefits and i had no proof of what they told me on the phone. also dont forget you can get retroactive benefits sometimes too!!

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Natalie Khan

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That's a good tip, thank you. I've been trying to keep notes of conversations but it's so hard to get someone on the phone in the first place. Did you find a good way to actually reach someone at SSA when you needed help?

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I've been through exactly what you're experiencing! I lost my husband 5 years ago and had to navigate all this with my kids. It's SO FRUSTRATING trying to get accurate information. The worst part is trying to reach someone at SSA - I spent HOURS on hold only to get disconnected after waiting 2+ hours! Then when I finally got through, the person couldn't even answer my specific questions!!! My advice: don't count on mother's benefits for too long in your financial planning. Mine were reduced so much once I started working that it barely made a difference in my income. And yes, there's a huge gap period where you get NOTHING between when your youngest ages out and when you can claim widow benefits at 60. It's infuriating that the system works this way!!!

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Same experience trying to reach SSA! I finally found this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real agent in under 20 minutes when I was dealing with my dad's survivor benefits. They have a video showing how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU - totally worth it for complicated situations where you need personalized answers instead of the generic website info.

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Tyrone Hill

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something else to think about - what kind of work are you planning to do? if you have the option, consider jobs that offer good retirement benefits to help fill that gap period between when the kids age out and when you can claim widow benefits. i did part-time consulting during that period and it really helped.

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Natalie Khan

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That's a smart idea. I worked in healthcare administration before having kids, so I might look into part-time options there first. Do retirement accounts like 401ks affect Social Security benefits at all?

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Daryl Bright

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To address your question about retirement accounts - no, 401ks and other retirement accounts don't affect your Social Security benefits. They're completely separate systems. The only income that affects SS benefits while you're under FRA is earned income (wages, self-employment). Regarding getting information specific to your situation, I'd recommend creating an account at my.ssa.gov if you haven't already. You can see your estimated benefits there. For a more comprehensive analysis, you might want to schedule an appointment at your local SSA office - in-person appointments often provide better service than phone calls.

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i tried to make an appointment at my local office but they said they were booked 3 months out!! its ridiculous. online account is good for basic stuff tho

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Sienna Gomez

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One more critical thing to understand - your survivor planning should include running calculations for BOTH scenarios: taking reduced widow benefits at 60 and your own retirement at FRA, OR taking your own reduced retirement at 62 and switching to survivor benefits at your FRA. Which one is better depends on your own work record versus your husband's. Also, while children are receiving benefits on your husband's record, the family maximum benefit (FMB) applies. This caps the total amount all beneficiaries on one record can receive. As children age out, the remaining children might see their benefits increase slightly as the FMB gets redistributed. SSA doesn't always explain these nuances unless you specifically ask.

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Natalie Khan

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Thank you for this information! I had no idea about the family maximum being redistributed. I'll definitely need to look into both scenarios for my future benefits. This is all so much more complex than I realized.

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i thought if you remarry before 60 you lose widow benefits? is that true or just another SS myth?

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Daryl Bright

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That's actually correct. If you remarry before age 60, you generally cannot receive widow's benefits (with some exceptions). If you remarry at 60 or later, you can still collect widow's benefits based on your deceased spouse's record. It's an important consideration for long-term planning.

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Natalie Khan

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Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I'm going to create my SSA account today and start documenting everything. I think I'll also look into that Claimyr service someone mentioned to get specific answers about my situation. It sounds like I need to plan for: 1) Working while staying under the earnings limit or accepting the reduction 2) Preparing financially for the gap years 3) Figuring out which claiming strategy will be best when I reach 60-67 I really appreciate all your help during this difficult time.

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Good plan! And don't forget to check your benefit statements EVERY YEAR. I found errors in mine twice that would have reduced my future benefits if I hadn't caught them. The SSA makes mistakes all the time and it's on US to catch them!!!

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I'm so sorry for your loss, Natalie. Reading through all these responses, I wanted to add one more consideration that hasn't been mentioned yet - please make sure you're also thinking about your own Social Security work credits. Since you've been staying home, you'll want to understand how returning to work will affect your own retirement benefit calculations. You need 40 quarters (10 years) of work to qualify for your own retirement benefits. If you don't have enough credits yet, working now could help you qualify for your own benefits, which might be important for your claiming strategy later. Also, regarding the gap period everyone mentioned - some states have additional survivor benefit programs that might help bridge that time. It's worth checking with your state's social services department to see what might be available. The documentation advice is spot on - I'd suggest keeping a dedicated folder (physical or digital) with all your SSA correspondence, benefit statements, and notes from phone calls. Date everything!

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Ryan Kim

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This is such an important point about work credits that I hadn't considered! I worked for about 8 years before having kids, so I'm not sure if I have enough quarters yet. Is there a way to check how many work credits I have through the my.ssa.gov account? And does the amount I earn per quarter matter, or just that I worked and paid into Social Security? Thank you for mentioning the state programs too - I'll definitely look into what's available here.

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Zoe Gonzalez

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Yes, you can definitely check your work credits through your my.ssa.gov account! Once you create it, look for your Social Security Statement - it shows exactly how many quarters you've earned and your earnings history year by year. For 2025, you earn one credit for every $1,810 in covered earnings, up to a maximum of 4 credits per year. So it's not just about working - you need to earn enough in each quarter to get the credit. If you only worked part-time or had low wages in some years, you might have fewer credits than you think. The good news is that if you're close to the 40 quarters needed, even part-time work can help you reach that threshold while staying under the earnings limit for your current benefits. It's definitely worth checking your statement before making any work decisions!

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Noah Lee

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Yes, you can definitely check your work credits through my.ssa.gov! Once you create your account, look for your Social Security Statement - it shows exactly how many credits you've earned and your earnings history by year. You need to earn a minimum amount per quarter to get credit (in 2025 it's $1,810 per quarter), but you can earn up to 4 credits per year regardless of when during the year you earn them. So if you make $7,240 in one month, you'd still get all 4 credits for that year. The good news is that your previous 8 years of work probably got you pretty close to the 40 credits you need - you might only need a couple more years of work to qualify for your own retirement benefits.

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Malik Thomas

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Yes, you can definitely check your work credits through my.ssa.gov! When you create your account and view your Social Security Statement, it will show exactly how many credits you've earned. You need to earn a minimum amount per quarter to get credit (for 2025 it's $1,810 per quarter), but once you hit that threshold, it doesn't matter if you earn more - you still just get one credit per quarter, maximum of 4 per year. Since you worked 8 years before kids, you likely have around 32 credits already (assuming full-time work), so you'd only need about 2 more years of work to hit the 40 credits needed for your own retirement benefits. This could be really important for your long-term planning since it gives you more flexibility in choosing between your own benefits or survivor benefits when the time comes.

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Camila Jordan

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Yes, you can check your work credits through your my.ssa.gov account! It will show your complete earnings history and how many quarters/credits you've earned. You earn one credit for each $1,730 in earnings (2025 amount) up to 4 credits per year, so the total amount doesn't matter as much as consistent earnings over time. If you worked 8 years full-time, you likely have most of the 40 credits needed already. The earnings record will also help you estimate what your own retirement benefit might be compared to your widow's benefit, which is crucial for your claiming strategy planning.

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Luca Russo

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Yes, you can absolutely check your work credits through my.ssa.gov! When you create your account and view your Social Security Statement, it will show you exactly how many quarters of coverage you have earned. You need to earn a minimum amount in a quarter for it to count (for 2025 it's $1,810 per quarter), but once you hit that threshold, earning more doesn't give you additional credits for that quarter - you can only earn a maximum of 4 quarters per year regardless of how much you make. Since you worked 8 years before kids, you likely have around 32 quarters already, meaning you'd only need about 2 more years of work to get your full 40 quarters for retirement eligibility. This could be really important for your long-term financial security, especially during that gap period everyone's mentioned.

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Maya Lewis

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Yes, you can definitely check your work credits through my.ssa.gov! Once you create your account, look for your Social Security Statement - it will show exactly how many quarters you've earned and your earnings history year by year. For 2025, you earn one credit for every $1,810 in covered earnings, up to a maximum of 4 credits per year. So you don't need to earn a huge amount - just enough to hit those thresholds each quarter. Since you worked 8 years before kids, you likely have at least 32 quarters already (8 years x 4 quarters), so you'd only need about 2 more years of work to qualify for your own retirement benefits. This could really impact your claiming strategy since you might be able to choose between your own benefits and widow benefits when the time comes. The my.ssa.gov account will also show projections of what your own retirement benefit would be based on different scenarios of future earnings, which will help you plan!

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Mae Bennett

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Yes, you can definitely check your work credits through my.ssa.gov! When you create your account, look for your Social Security Statement - it shows exactly how many credits you've earned and your earnings history by year. You earn credits based on the amount you make each year (up to 4 credits per year), and for 2025 you need to earn at least $1,730 per credit. So if you make $6,920 or more in a year, you get the maximum 4 credits for that year. The good news is that even part-time work can help you accumulate credits if you're close to that 40-quarter threshold!

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Mila Walker

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Yes, you can definitely check your work credits through your my.ssa.gov account! Once you log in, look for your Social Security Statement - it will show exactly how many quarters you've earned and your earnings history by year. For 2025, you earn one credit for each $1,810 in covered earnings, up to a maximum of 4 credits per year. So you don't need to earn a huge amount - just enough to hit those thresholds. Your 8 years of work likely gave you a good foundation. The great thing about checking online is you can see not only your credit count but also your earnings record, which helps with planning your future benefit amounts. If you find any errors in your earnings history, you can correct them online or by contacting SSA. Regarding state programs, many states have temporary assistance programs for surviving spouses, especially those with dependent children. Some also offer job training or education assistance that could help you transition back to work. Your state's Department of Social Services website should have information about what's available.

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