Social Security survivor benefits at 65 - will they be reduced before FRA or not?
I just turned 65 and planning to retire in January 2025. I've been looking at my Social Security options and I'm confused about survivor benefits. My late husband's benefit amount is higher than what mine will ever be, so I want to claim his benefits. I was under the impression that if I took his survivor benefits before my Full Retirement Age (which I haven't reached yet), the amount would be reduced. But yesterday I spoke with someone who said survivor benefits from my husband wouldn't be reduced, and only MY OWN retirement benefits would be reduced if I claimed those early instead. This seems too good to be true? Could it matter whether my husband had reached his FRA when he started collecting? I honestly can't remember if he had reached his FRA when he began receiving benefits before he passed. Can anyone clarify how this works with survivor benefits claimed before FRA? Thanks for any help!
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Madison Allen
The person you spoke with is incorrect. Survivor benefits ARE reduced if you claim them before your Full Retirement Age. The reduction is about 0.396% for each month before your FRA, up to a maximum reduction of 28.5%. However, there's an exception - if your husband was receiving reduced benefits when he died, your survivor benefit might be limited by the "RIB-LIM" rule (Retirement Insurance Benefit Limitation). This can get complicated fast.
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Katherine Harris
•Thank you for explaining! So it DOES matter whether my husband had reached his FRA? I'm pretty sure he started collecting around 63 or 64, so that would mean he was taking reduced benefits. Does that change how my survivor benefits would be calculated?
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Joshua Wood
IM in the same boat!!! My husband passed 2 years ago and I've been tryin to figure this out too. SSA told me something about the maximun family benefit but it was so confusing. I think its all reduced if you take it early but then again nothing with SS makes sense half the time!! Let me know what you find out please?
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Katherine Harris
•I'm sorry about your husband. It is confusing! I'll definitely share what I learn. Did you end up taking the survivor benefits early or waiting until your FRA?
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Justin Evans
Let me clarify exactly how survivor benefits work in your situation: 1. If you claim survivor benefits before your FRA, they WILL be reduced (contrary to what you were told) 2. However, if your husband started collecting reduced benefits before he reached his FRA, there's something called the RIB-LIM rule that comes into play. This means your survivor benefit would be limited to the higher of: - The benefit your husband was receiving when he died - 82.5% of your husband's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) 3. If your husband had reached his FRA when he started collecting, then your survivor benefit at your FRA would be 100% of what he was receiving. One strategy to consider: If your own retirement benefit will never be higher than your survivor benefit, you could claim your own reduced retirement benefit now at 65, then switch to the full survivor benefit when you reach your FRA (which would give you some income now while maximizing the survivor benefit later).
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Emily Parker
•I did this very thing! took my own at 62 (it was small but hey money is money!) then switched to my husbands benefit at my FRA which was last year. just make sure u have an appointment and tell them exactly what u want when u go in cuz they dont always tell u the best option
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Katherine Harris
This is getting even more confusing. So if my husband was receiving reduced benefits when he died, that actually affects my survivor benefits too? I need to find out exactly when he started collecting. Is there a way I can check this with the SSA without spending hours on hold?
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Ezra Collins
•I had the same issue trying to reach SSA about my survivor benefits earlier this year. After getting disconnected three times and waiting on hold for over 2 hours, I found this service called Claimyr that got me through to a live person at SSA in about 20 minutes. Saved me so much frustration! You can see how it works at https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU and their website is claimyr.com. It was actually worth it to get this information sorted out quickly, especially with something as important as survivor benefits.
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Victoria Scott
my sister just went thru this last year. they gave her the wrong info THREE TIMES!!! make sure u get it in writing whatever they tell u.
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Joshua Wood
•OMG yes!!! I got different answers every time I called too! The whole system is so broken!
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Madison Allen
To add one more important detail - since you're turning 65, make sure you're also applying for Medicare. That's separate from your Social Security benefits decision, and you want to enroll during your Initial Enrollment Period to avoid late penalties, even if you delay claiming Social Security.
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Katherine Harris
•Thanks for the reminder! Yes, I've already enrolled in Medicare. My Medicare card arrived last month.
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Benjamin Johnson
I think everybodys giving you wrong info. My friend is a retied SSA worker and she told me survivor benefits are NOT reduced if your spouse was fully insured regardless of YOUR age. That's different from retirement benefits. Something about the law changing in 2022 or 2023.
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Madison Allen
•I'm sorry, but this is incorrect information. There has been no law change eliminating the age-based reduction for survivor benefits taken before FRA. Survivor benefits are definitely still reduced if taken before the survivor's FRA. The "fully insured" status of the deceased spouse doesn't change this fact - it's a requirement for benefits to be paid at all, but doesn't affect the reduction schedule. Please be careful about sharing second-hand information that could lead to costly claiming mistakes.
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Justin Evans
Based on what you've shared, here's what I recommend: 1. First, verify your husband's claiming history by contacting SSA (whether through regular channels or using a service to help you get through) 2. Ask specifically about: - When your husband began collecting benefits - What his PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) was - How the RIB-LIM rule affects your specific situation 3. Request a benefit calculation for these scenarios: - Taking your survivor benefits now (reduced amount) - Taking your own retirement benefit now, then switching to survivor benefits at your FRA Once you have these specific numbers, you can make an informed decision. The difference could potentially be thousands of dollars over your lifetime, so it's worth doing this research.
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Katherine Harris
•Thank you so much for this detailed plan. I'll follow these exact steps and get the information I need before making any decisions. I appreciate everyone's help with this confusing topic!
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