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Evelyn Kelly

Social Security income test for self-employed before FRA - which 1040 line counts?

I'm turning 63 next month and planning to start my Social Security retirement benefits. I know there's that earnings test before full retirement age where they reduce benefits if you earn too much ($22,320 for 2025, right?). But as a self-employed contractor, I'm confused about WHICH income number Social Security actually looks at. Is it the adjusted gross income on my 1040? Or is it my taxable income? Or do they use my Schedule C net profit? I've heard different answers from different people and the SSA website isn't clear about this for self-employment specifically. I'm expecting to earn around $26,000 this year, but with deductions and everything, my AGI will be lower. Really need to figure this out before filing for benefits! Anyone know for sure? Or should I ask in a different group that specializes in tax questions?

Paloma Clark

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For self-employment income, Social Security looks at your NET earnings from self-employment, not your AGI or taxable income. This is basically your Schedule C profit minus the employer-equivalent portion of your self-employment tax. You'll see this amount calculated on Schedule SE. It's the net profit from your business after expenses, but before the SE tax deduction. If you're expecting $26,000 in gross business income but have legitimate business expenses, your net might be below the $22,320 threshold.

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Evelyn Kelly

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Thanks! That's super helpful. So if my Schedule C shows $26,000 in gross receipts but I have about $4,500 in legitimate business expenses, my net would be $21,500 and I'd be under the limit? That's what I was hoping!

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Heather Tyson

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my sister went thru this last yr... the SSA looks at your GROSS earnings before any deductions!! don't let them fool u

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Paloma Clark

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That's incorrect. For self-employed individuals, SSA specifically looks at net earnings from self-employment, not gross. This is clearly stated in their rules and is calculated from Schedule SE. Giving incorrect information could cause someone to unnecessarily delay claiming benefits.

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Heather Tyson

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whatever... thats what happened to my sister but ok

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Raul Neal

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I just dealt with this exact situation. The SSA looks at your net earnings from self-employment which comes from Schedule SE. It's basically what you report as subject to self-employment tax. BUT (and this is important) they DO count your gross wages from any W-2 employment separately. So if you're both self-employed AND working a part-time job with a W-2, you'll need to add those W-2 wages to your net self-employment earnings when figuring out if you'll exceed the limit. If you're only self-employed, just look at Schedule SE. If your net is under $22,320, you're fine.

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Evelyn Kelly

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That makes a lot of sense. I'm only self-employed, so Schedule SE it is. I'll track my expenses carefully to make sure I stay under the limit. I guess I should gather all my business receipts now!

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Jenna Sloan

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Just as an additional clarification, for self-employment the SSA uses your net earnings after you've deducted all legitimate business expenses but BEFORE the deduction for self-employment tax. For 2025, if you stay under $22,320 in net self-employment earnings, you won't face any benefit reduction. If you go over, they'll deduct $1 for every $2 you earn above the limit. Also important: The month you reach full retirement age, the limit jumps significantly higher (to around $59,520 for 2025), and they only deduct $1 for every $3 over the limit. Then once you hit FRA, there's no limit at all.

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Evelyn Kelly

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Thank you for the detailed explanation! So if I do go slightly over, it's not the end of the world - they just reduce benefits a bit. And good reminder about the FRA rules changing. I think I'll be careful with my workload to stay under the annual limit until I reach full retirement age.

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I don't know why you're asking this in a Social Security group. This is clearly a tax question, and you should talk to a CPA about tax matters. Social Security people will give you wrong information about taxes.

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Raul Neal

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Actually, this is the perfect place to ask this question since it specifically relates to how SSA applies their earnings test for self-employed individuals. While it involves tax forms, it's fundamentally about Social Security rules.

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Sasha Reese

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Evelyn Kelly

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Thanks for the tip! I may need to talk to them directly since my situation has a few complications. Getting through to SSA has been impossible lately.

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is this a real service? seems sketchy to me

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When I started my SS at 62 (I'm 64 now), I was self-employed part time. I found out they look at what's on Schedule SE, not your AGI or taxable income. The earnings limit is a mess to deal with tho. I ended up making $1200 over the limit one year and they wanted ALL of my January payment back! Then I had to fill out an estimate of this years earnings form. Such a headache.

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Evelyn Kelly

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Ugh, that sounds like a nightmare! Did they just take your entire January payment or did you have to send them a check? I'm worried about accidentally going over.

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They withheld my February payment completely and part of March. Then I got an Earnings Estimate form for the next year. Make sure you track everything carefully!

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Sasha Reese

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One more thing to consider - don't forget that the earnings limit is PRORATED in your first year if you don't receive benefits for the full year. For example, if you start benefits in July, you'll only have 6 months of benefits, so your earnings limit for that first year would be half of the annual amount ($11,160 instead of $22,320). This catches a lot of people by surprise!

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Evelyn Kelly

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Oh! I didn't realize that. I was planning to start benefits in April, so I'd only be allowed about 3/4 of the annual limit for 2025? That definitely changes my calculations. I should probably adjust my work contracts.

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Savannah Vin

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Actually, I need to clarify something here. The prorated limit only applies in your FIRST year of receiving benefits, and it's based on when you start receiving payments, not when you file. So if you start benefits in April, you'd have 9 months of benefits (April through December), which would give you 9/12 of the annual limit = about $16,740 for 2025. But double-check this with SSA since the rules can be tricky!

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NeonNova

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Just wanted to add my experience as someone who's been dealing with this for a couple years now. The Schedule SE net earnings calculation is definitely what SSA uses, but here's something that might help with your planning: You mentioned expecting around $26,000 in income but having deductions that would lower your AGI. Just remember that business expenses (like equipment, supplies, mileage, etc.) reduce your Schedule C profit, which then flows to Schedule SE. Personal deductions like the standard deduction don't affect your self-employment earnings calculation at all. Also, if you're worried about going over the limit, you can always adjust your work schedule later in the year. I've found it helpful to track my net earnings quarterly so I don't get surprised at tax time. Good luck with your benefits application!

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Daniel Rogers

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This is really helpful information, thank you! I'm new to navigating Social Security benefits and the earnings test seemed so confusing at first. It sounds like the key is to focus on legitimate business expenses that reduce my Schedule C profit, not personal deductions. I like your idea about tracking quarterly - that would definitely help me avoid any surprises. Did you use any particular method or spreadsheet to track your net earnings throughout the year?

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I've been using a simple Excel spreadsheet with columns for date, client/project, gross income, and business expenses. Then I have a running total of net earnings so I can see where I stand each quarter. Nothing fancy, but it helps me make decisions about taking on new work later in the year if I'm getting close to the limit. I also keep a separate tab tracking my business expenses with receipts so everything's organized for tax time.

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I went through this exact same situation when I started collecting at 62. The confusion is totally understandable because the SSA website really doesn't explain it clearly for self-employed folks! Everyone who said it's your net earnings from Schedule SE is absolutely correct. But here's a practical tip that helped me: when you're calculating your business expenses throughout the year, make sure you're only counting legitimate business expenses that would be deductible on Schedule C. Things like office supplies, equipment, business mileage, etc. Personal expenses or the standard deduction won't help you here. Also, since you're planning to start benefits next month, don't forget about that first-year proration rule someone mentioned. If you start in April, you'll only be able to earn about $16,740 for the rest of 2025 without penalty (9 months worth of the $22,320 annual limit). One last thing - keep really good records of everything! The SSA will want documentation if they ever audit your earnings, and having organized records makes tax time so much easier too.

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Thank you so much for all this detailed advice! This is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been keeping receipts but not in any organized system, so I'll definitely get that sorted out before I file. The first-year proration rule is something I completely missed - $16,740 for 9 months is a lot different than $22,320 for the full year! I'm going to need to be much more careful about my contract work this year than I originally thought. Really appreciate everyone taking the time to explain this clearly.

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