Concerned about unexpected high Social Security survivor benefit amount - can SSA reduce it later?
I'm really confused and anxious about my mother-in-law's survivor benefits situation. She just turned 67 (her FRA) and applied for survivor benefits after my father-in-law passed away in 2023. The SSA rep told her over the phone her monthly benefit would be approximately $3,750! This seems WAY too high to us. My father-in-law hadn't worked steadily for almost 25 years before he died at age 68. He apparently had a successful career in his 20s and early 30s before he met my mother-in-law, but we don't know the details. She's thinking about finally quitting her part-time retail job that pays barely above minimum wage IF this survivor benefit amount is legitimate. But she's terrified that SSA will discover some calculation error months down the road and suddenly demand thousands back or drastically reduce her payments. Has anyone dealt with this kind of situation? Specifically: 1. Can my mother-in-law request to see my deceased father-in-law's earnings record to verify the calculation? 2. Does SSA ever tell someone their survivor benefit amount and then reduce it later claiming there was an error? She's afraid to spend anything beyond her current budget until she's sure this amount is correct. Any advice would be so appreciated!
21 comments
Madison Allen
Yes, your mother-in-law can absolutely request her deceased husband's earnings record! She should call SSA and specifically ask for a "Request for Social Security Earnings Information" (Form SSA-7050). As his widow, she has a right to this information. Regarding your second question, it's somewhat rare but it does happen. SSA occasionally makes what they call "administrative errors" in calculating benefits. If they discover an error, they can reduce benefits going forward. The good news is that if the error was their fault (not due to incorrect information provided by the beneficiary), they often waive repayment of past overpayments, especially if the person can show they'd experience financial hardship.
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Thank you SO much for this information! I'll tell her about the Form SSA-7050 right away. Do you know how long it typically takes to get those earnings records once requested? She's really anxious about making any financial decisions until she can verify that amount is correct.
0 coins
Joshua Wood
my mom had something similar happen!! the ssa told her she would get like $3200 for survivors and then 6 months later they sent a letter saying it was actually supposed to be $2600 and she owed them money back. it was a nightmare for her. she had to do a waiver thing for the overpayment but at least they fixed it going forward. tell ur MIL to be careful!!!
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Oh no, that's exactly what she's worried about happening! Did they explain why they made the mistake? Did your mom have to pay anything back or did the waiver cover it all?
0 coins
Justin Evans
Several important things your mother-in-law should understand about survivor benefits: 1. The benefit amount is based on the deceased's primary insurance amount (PIA) at the time of death OR what the deceased would be receiving if they were still alive at the survivor's FRA, whichever is higher. 2. Early career earnings can significantly impact benefits, especially if they were high-earning years. Each year is indexed for inflation, so even earnings from the 1980s or 1990s can translate to substantial benefit amounts today. 3. The maximum survivor benefit for someone at FRA in 2025 is around $4,555, so $3,750 is high but certainly possible if your father-in-law had significant earnings in his early career. I strongly recommend she request an appointment with a claims specialist at her local SSA office to review the calculation in detail. They can explain exactly how they arrived at that figure using his earnings record. Get everything in writing.
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Thank you for explaining how this works! We had no idea early career earnings could have such a big impact decades later. I'll definitely tell her to make an in-person appointment to review everything. I'm guessing those appointments take a while to get scheduled though.
0 coins
Emily Parker
Just wanted to chime in that Social Security calculations are SUPER confusing! I thought I understood how my own retirement benefit was calculated and was still off by almost $300/month when I finally got my first payment. The way they index older earnings for inflation and only count the top 35 years is complicated math that most people don't understand.
0 coins
Ezra Collins
I had a nightmare trying to get appointments with SSA after my husband died last year. Kept getting disconnected or told to call back another day. Finally found a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to a real agent without the endless waiting. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Worth every penny to actually talk to a real person who could help me figure out my survivor benefits. Your MIL should definitely talk to an actual agent to get this sorted out properly instead of worrying.
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Thank you for this recommendation! She's been trying to call for days and keeps getting the "all representatives are busy" message. Will definitely look into this service.
0 coins
Victoria Scott
•did that service actually work? i'm always suspicious of these things that claim to get you through to ssa faster
0 coins
Benjamin Johnson
The SSA makes mistakes ALL THE TIME!!! My sister's widow benefit was calculated wrong and they didn't figure it out for EIGHT MONTHS, then demanded $14,000 BACK!!! She had to file for a waiver and go through MONTHS of stress and appeals before they finally forgave the overpayment since it was THEIR ERROR not hers!!! Tell your MIL not to make ANY major financial decisions based on that amount until she gets WRITTEN CONFIRMATION and has an agent EXPLAIN the calculation IN DETAIL!!! The system is BROKEN and they will make HER pay for THEIR MISTAKES!!!
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•That sounds absolutely awful for your sister! This is exactly what my MIL is terrified of. I'll make sure she gets everything in writing before making any decisions. Thank you for the warning.
0 coins
Justin Evans
•While errors can occur, they're not as common as this suggests. The important thing is to verify the calculation is correct before making financial decisions, which is what OP's mother-in-law is trying to do. Getting the earnings record and having an appointment to review the calculation is the right approach.
0 coins
Zara Perez
I work with seniors on retirement planning. One thing to understand is that survivor benefits are calculated differently than retirement benefits. If your father-in-law had already started receiving benefits when he died, your mother-in-law would generally receive what he was getting. If he hadn't started benefits yet, she would receive what he would have gotten at his FRA. His early career earnings could absolutely result in a high benefit if he had substantial income during those years. The benefit calculation uses the highest 35 years of indexed earnings, not just the most recent years. As others have mentioned, she can and should request his earnings record. She should also ask for a detailed explanation of how they calculated the benefit amount - specifically ask for a "PEBES" (Personal Earnings and Benefit Estimate Statement) which breaks down the calculation.
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Thank you for explaining this so clearly! I didn't know about the PEBES - that sounds exactly like what she needs to see. I'll make sure she asks for that specifically.
0 coins
Joshua Wood
btw does your MIL have her own work record? if shes been working too she might have to choose between her own retirement benefit and the survivor benefit, they don't stack
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Yes, she has worked most of her life but always in low-wage jobs. The SSA agent actually did talk to her about this and said her own retirement benefit would only be about $1,200, so the survivor benefit is much better for her. At least they got that part right!
0 coins
Madison Allen
One more piece of advice - your mother-in-law should request a "Benefits Planning Query" (BPQY) from SSA. This will provide a comprehensive overview of her entitlement to various benefits including survivors benefits, and will serve as written documentation of what SSA is calculating. Having this document could be helpful if there are any issues later. Also, once she starts receiving benefits, she should carefully review her first benefit verification letter. This will outline her benefit amount and provide another layer of documentation.
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•This is excellent advice - thank you! I've made notes of all these different forms and documents she should request (BPQY, PEBES, earnings record, benefit verification letter). Hopefully with all this documentation we can be confident in whatever amount they determine.
0 coins
Emily Parker
My condolences on your father-in-law's passing. Just to share my experience - when my husband died, I was really confused about the whole survivor benefit process too. The amount they told me seemed too high at first, but it turned out to be correct. One thing that helped me was talking to other widows in my church group who'd been through the same process. Sometimes hearing from regular people who've navigated the same system is reassuring.
0 coins
Katherine Harris
•Thank you for your kind words. That's a good point about connecting with others who have been through this. I'll suggest she ask around at her community center since I know there are several widows in her friend group there.
0 coins