Can my husband get Social Security spousal benefits (top-up) when his payment is less than 50% of mine?
I'm really confused about spousal benefits and could use some help! My full retirement age benefit is $2,131, which started in 2025. I'm currently receiving about $2,187 after the latest COLA increase. My husband is getting his first early retirement payment the third week of February 2025, but it's only going to be $935. Since his benefit is less than 50% of mine, I thought he could get a 'top-up' from my record to reach that 50% threshold. However, when we visited the SS office yesterday, they told us he can't get any spousal benefits from my record. This doesn't make sense to me! Isn't he entitled to something if his benefit is so much lower than half of mine? If he is eligible for this top-up, approximately how much could it be, and how do we go about getting it added to his monthly payment? I'm wondering if the SS representative misunderstood our situation or if I'm misunderstanding how spousal benefits work.
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Sara Hellquiem
The SSA representative is probably correct in this case. Since your husband is taking his own retirement benefit early (before his FRA), any spousal benefit would be reduced twice - once for his early retirement and again for taking spousal benefits early. Also, the spousal benefit is calculated on your PIA (Primary Insurance Amount), not your current payment with COLAs. The calculation is roughly: (50% of your PIA - 100% of his PIA). If that number is negative, there's no spousal benefit. Even if positive, it would be reduced for early claiming. When did your husband turn 62? What's his FRA?
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Oscar O'Neil
•Thank you for responding! My husband just turned 63 last month, and his FRA is 67. I think I understand better now - so they look at our base amounts before any reductions or COLAs? The rep didn't explain it that way at all, just said a flat 'no' without any details which left me confused.
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Charlee Coleman
My husband had the EXACT same situation!!! The SSA told us NO at first but that was WRONG!!!! He WAS entitled to a spousal top-up, but the person helping us didn't understand how it worked! We had to speak to a different rep and show them the rules on their own website!!! Don't give up!
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Oscar O'Neil
•Really? That gives me hope! What did you have to do to get them to fix it? Did you have to go back in person or could you handle it over the phone?
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Liv Park
Here's how spousal benefits actually work: The maximum spousal benefit is 50% of the higher earner's Primary Insurance Amount (PIA) at their Full Retirement Age. If your husband files for his own retirement benefit early, it's permanently reduced. When calculating any potential spousal benefit, SSA looks at: 1. 50% of your PIA (not your current benefit with COLAs) 2. Minus 100% of his PIA (before any reductions) 3. If this amount is positive, it's further reduced based on how early he's claiming spousal benefits If your PIA is $2,131, then 50% would be $1,065. If his PIA (before reductions) is close to or more than $1,065, then there wouldn't be any spousal benefit to add. The representative should have explained this calculation to you rather than just saying no. I'd suggest creating a my Social Security account online and checking both of your PIA amounts to do this calculation yourself.
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Leeann Blackstein
•This is such a confusing system! Does the same math apply for people who were married less than 10 years? My situation is different but trying to understand how this all works.
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Liv Park
•@profile4 - For spousal benefits while married, the length of marriage doesn't matter as long as you're currently married. The 10-year requirement only applies to divorced spouse benefits. But yes, the same calculation method would apply in both scenarios.
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Ryder Greene
the ss people are right he cant get a topup if hes getting his own benefit already. thats how it works. my brother tried this and they said the same thing.
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Liv Park
•That's not quite accurate. You can receive both your own retirement benefit and a spousal benefit at the same time, but the spousal portion is reduced to a 'top-up' amount that brings your total to the higher of either your own benefit or a percentage of your spouse's benefit. The issue isn't that he's getting his own benefit - it's likely that the calculation isn't resulting in any additional amount.
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Carmella Fromis
I spent HOURS trying to reach someone at Social Security about this exact issue last month. Getting disconnected over and over! I finally used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to a rep in less than 20 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU When I finally spoke with an agent who knew what they were talking about, they explained that my husband wasn't eligible for a spousal top-up because his PIA was already more than 50% of mine, even though his actual payment was less due to early retirement reductions. It's all about the PIA amounts, not what you're actually receiving.
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Oscar O'Neil
•Thanks for the tip! I might try that service if I can't get a clear answer. We've been disconnected twice already trying to reach someone who can explain this better.
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Theodore Nelson
Just wondering, have you checked both your benefit statements online? Sometimes those numbers are different from what the reps tell you in person. My cousin thought she wasn't eligible either but it turned out her husband's PIA was calculated wrong.
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Oscar O'Neil
•I haven't checked online yet. That's a good idea, I'll look at both of our statements tonight. Hopefully that will give us the actual numbers to work with!
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Leeann Blackstein
If your husband is receiving $935 at age 63, his PIA (full retirement age amount) would be around $1,250-1,300 depending on exactly when his birthday is. If your PIA is $2,131, then 50% of that is $1,065. Since his own PIA is higher than 50% of yours, there's no top-up available. The reason his check seems so low compared to yours is because he's taking a 25-30% reduction by claiming early, while you waited until your FRA. The SSA rep should have explained this calculation to you rather than just saying no.
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Oscar O'Neil
•Thank you for breaking down the math! That makes so much more sense now. I think you're right - his PIA must be higher than 50% of mine, and the early claiming reduction is making his actual payment seem much lower.
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Charlee Coleman
WAIT i just realized something!!! Was your husband already collecting disability before switching to retirement??? Because that changes EVERYTHING about how they calculate this!!!
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Oscar O'Neil
•No, he wasn't on disability. He was just working up until last year and decided to retire early at 63 instead of waiting until his full retirement age.
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Sara Hellquiem
After reading through this thread and your responses, I'm confident the SSA made the correct determination, but they failed to explain it properly. Based on the numbers you've shared, your husband's PIA is likely around $1,300, which exceeds 50% of your PIA ($1,065). Even though his actual payment is reduced to $935 because he's claiming early, the spousal benefit calculation still uses the PIA amounts. I'd recommend requesting a detailed breakdown of both your PIAs from SSA and the spousal benefit calculation so you fully understand the determination.
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Oscar O'Neil
•Thank you! I think I understand now. We'll definitely ask for that detailed breakdown next time we speak with them. It's frustrating they didn't explain it clearly the first time, but at least I now know what questions to ask.
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