Can father-in-law collect late mother's Social Security while delaying his own benefits?
My mother-in-law passed away last year at 71 after collecting Social Security since age 62. My father-in-law (her widower) turns full retirement age tomorrow and hasn't claimed any benefits yet because he's still working full-time. He was planning to file for survivor benefits based on her record (about $1,750/month) while delaying his own retirement benefit (around $2,950/month at age 70) to maximize what he'll eventually receive. However, when he visited the Social Security office yesterday, the claims rep told him that if he files for survivor benefits now, his own retirement benefit would be "locked in" and would never increase - even if he waits until 70 to switch. This completely contradicts everything we've read about survivors collecting one benefit while delaying their own! Is this SSA rep giving us incorrect information? If my father-in-law can't collect survivor benefits without locking in his own benefit amount, there's absolutely no reason for him to wait to file for his own benefit. I thought widowers at FRA could collect survivor benefits while allowing their own retirement to grow until 70. What's the truth here?
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Logan Scott
The SSA rep is ABSOLUTELY WRONG. This is a classic case of misinformation at SSA field offices that happens way too often with survivor benefits. Your father-in-law CAN collect survivor benefits at his full retirement age while delaying his own retirement benefits until age 70. This is called a "restricted application for survivor benefits" and it's one of the few remaining claiming strategies that still works after the 2015 law changes. The rep confused this with spousal benefits (which work differently). With survivor benefits, there is NO deemed filing rule forcing you to take both at once after FRA. He should go back, ask to speak with a Technical Expert or the Office Manager, and cite POMS GN 00204.020 which covers this exact situation. This is exactly why I tell everyone to NEVER take the first answer you get from SSA if it doesn't sound right!
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Mila Walker
•Thank you so much! I thought that might be the case. He has an appointment scheduled for the day after tomorrow to actually file, so I'll have him print out that POMS reference to take with him. Really appreciate the clear explanation - I was pretty sure the rep was confusing survivor benefits with spousal benefits rules but didn't want to make a costly mistake.
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Chloe Green
not sure bout the other advice but wen my dad died my mom had similar issue. depend on if your mother in law work history was longer than his ? social security always give u the higher amount anyway so it might not mater
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Mila Walker
•His work history is much longer and higher-earning than hers was, which is why his benefit would be significantly more ($2,950 vs her $1,750). The strategy is to collect the lower amount now while letting his larger benefit grow by 8% per year until 70. But only if they'll actually let him do that!
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Lucas Adams
I went through this EXACT situation last year with my husband's benefits after my sister died. The first SSA rep told me the same incorrect information. When you go back, make sure to specifically ask for what's called a "restricted application for survivor benefits only." Those are the magic words. Bring something printed from the SSA website showing this is allowed. I had to go to THREE different appointments before I found someone who understood the survivor benefit rules correctly. The confusion is because the rules for spousal benefits changed in 2015 but the survivor benefit rules stayed the same. Also, if you're having trouble getting through to someone knowledgeable on the phone, I used a service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me through to a live person at SSA in about 10 minutes instead of waiting for hours. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU. Saved me a huge headache when I needed to follow up about my application.
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Harper Hill
•It's INFURIATING how much misinformation comes from SSA employees!!! I spent 20+ years as a financial advisor specializing in SS strategies, and I can't tell you how many times I had to send clients back to fight with SSA reps who gave completely wrong information. The restricted application for survivors is 100% still allowed, and it's exactly for situations like this. The 2015 law eliminated this strategy for spousal benefits (except for people born before 1/2/1954) but did NOT change the rules for survivor benefits. This is why so many people miss out on thousands of dollars in benefits they're entitled to - because SSA employees don't understand their own rules!
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Caden Nguyen
I think I can clarify what's happening here. Prior to the Bipartisan Budget Act of 2015, people could file a "restricted application" for either spousal OR survivor benefits while letting their own retirement benefit grow. The 2015 law eliminated this strategy for spousal benefits (with a phase-out for those born before 1954), but it did NOT change the rules for survivor benefits. So your father-in-law absolutely CAN file for survivor benefits at his full retirement age while delaying his own retirement benefit until age 70. Each year he delays his own benefit, it grows by 8%, which would be very advantageous in his case. The SSA representative was incorrectly applying the deemed filing rules that apply to spousal benefits to his survivor situation. This is unfortunately a common mistake. When he goes back, he should specifically request to file a "restricted application for survivor benefits only" and ask to speak with a Technical Expert if the representative seems confused.
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Mila Walker
•This makes perfect sense - thank you for explaining the distinction between spousal and survivor benefits so clearly. I'll make sure he uses the exact phrase "restricted application for survivor benefits only" at his appointment. Do you think bringing printouts of the relevant SSA policy would help, or would that just annoy them?
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Avery Flores
My condolences for your loss. When my wife passed I had similar confusions with SS. I waited 3 HOURS at the office only to be told wrong info!! Then tried calling for DAYS and couldn't get through!!!! The whole system is BROKEN!!!!
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Zoe Gonzalez
•Same experience here. Got disconnected 4 times trying to sort out my widow benefits. Finally got through on the fifth try after waiting 2.5 hours on hold. The rep I eventually spoke with was knowledgeable though and explained everything correctly. Seems totally hit or miss whether you get someone who knows what they're talking about.
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Logan Scott
One more important thing: when your father-in-law goes to his appointment, he should bring his and your mother-in-law's: - Birth certificates - Marriage certificate - Her death certificate - Most recent tax return - His Social Security card Also, he should be prepared to provide information about any previous marriages either of them had, including dates and documentation if available. And absolutely have him use the exact phrase "I want to file a restricted application for survivor benefits only while delaying my retirement benefit until age 70." Being very specific with this language helps ensure he gets the correct outcome.
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Mila Walker
•Thank you for this detailed list! He has all those documents ready - I made sure he gathered everything after mom passed away. I'm going to have him practice saying that exact phrase so he doesn't get flustered during the appointment. This is all so stressful on top of still grieving.
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Chloe Green
my uncle did this i think. he got my aunts benifits after she died but then swtiched to his own later when he turned 70. he said it was confusing but worked out good in the end. hope your father in law gets what he deserves!!
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Lucas Adams
•That's encouraging to hear! It's exactly what we're trying to do. It's such a common situation that I'm surprised the SSA representatives aren't better trained on it. But from everything I've read here and elsewhere, it sounds like we just need to be persistent and clear about what we're asking for.
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