Can I claim Social Security spousal benefits from ex-husband after SSDI? Reaching FRA this year
I've been collecting SSDI for about 8 years now and I'm finally reaching my full retirement age (FRA) this year. My situation is a bit complicated - I was married for 14 years before getting divorced, and the divorce happened before I went on disability. I never remarried after the divorce. What I'm wondering is: can I now get any benefits based on my ex-husband's Social Security record? I've heard something about "topping off" benefits when you reach full retirement age, but I'm not sure if that applies to my situation as a divorced spouse who's been on SSDI. My monthly SSDI payment is about $1,430, and I know my ex-husband made significantly more than me during our working years. Does anyone know if I'd qualify for additional money when I reach my FRA? The whole divorced spouse benefit thing is confusing me!
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Lindsey Fry
Yes, you absolutely can claim divorced spousal benefits if your marriage lasted at least 10 years (which yours did at 14 years). Since you're reaching your FRA, you can get up to 50% of your ex's PIA (Primary Insurance Amount) if that amount is higher than your own benefit. It's not actually called a "top off" officially - it's called the "excess spousal benefit" and SSA will calculate the difference between your benefit and 50% of your ex's. The key is that when you reach FRA, your SSDI automatically converts to regular retirement benefits at the same amount. Then SSA looks at whether you qualify for additional spousal benefits. You don't need your ex's permission or even to notify him. Just contact SSA about 3 months before your FRA to apply for the divorced spouse benefit.
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Leo Simmons
•Thank you! That makes a lot more sense now. So I should contact SSA before my birthday to start this process? Does it matter if my ex is already collecting his retirement or not?
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Saleem Vaziri
Be careful about this!!! I was in a similar situation and SSA gave me wrong information TWICE about my ex-spouse benefits. They told me I would get more money, but then when everything processed, my payment stayed exactly the same. Make sure you know what your ex's PIA is before getting your hopes up because if 50% of his isn't more than your SSDI, you won't see a penny more.
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Leo Simmons
•Oh no, that's disappointing to hear. Do you know if there's any way I can find out what his PIA might be? We haven't spoken in years.
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Kayla Morgan
congrats on making it to FRA! i got confused about this too when i hit mine last year. the thing is u dont get YOUR benefit PLUS half of his... they just give u the higher of the two. so if ur getting $1430 now, ur ex would need to have a benefit of at least $2860 for u to get anything extra. not trying to burst ur bubble but thats how it works.
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Leo Simmons
•That's really helpful to understand, thank you. His income was probably about twice mine when we were married, but I'm not sure if that means his benefit would be twice mine too.
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James Maki
I worked for SSA for 26 years, and this question comes up frequently. Here's exactly how it works: When you reach FRA, you're eligible for what we call a "dual entitlement" calculation. SSA will automatically pay you the higher of your own benefit or the divorced spouse benefit (up to 50% of your ex's PIA). The good news is that your ex does NOT need to be collecting benefits for you to file as a divorced spouse - that's a special rule for divorced beneficiaries. He just needs to be eligible (age 62+). The formula is: If 50% of your ex's PIA exceeds your own PIA, you'll receive your own benefit plus the difference to bring you up to that 50% mark. So if your PIA is $1,430 and his is $3,200, you'd get your $1,430 plus an additional $170 (since 50% of $3,200 is $1,600, and $1,600 - $1,430 = $170).
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Saleem Vaziri
•This is exactly right! And also why I didn't get anything extra - my ex's PIA wasn't high enough for the 50% to exceed my own benefit. I wish someone had explained it this clearly to me before!
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Jasmine Hancock
just wanted to say don't count on the SSA people at the office to know all this stuff. when i asked about ex-spouse benefits they told me 3 different things on 3 different visits!!! still not sure if im getting everything im supposed to get
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Cole Roush
•I had the exact same experience trying to sort out my widow's benefits! The phone system is absolutely useless too - I tried calling for weeks and either got disconnected or had to wait 3+ hours. I finally used this service called Claimyr (claimyr.com) that got me connected to an actual SSA agent in under 5 minutes. They have a video showing how it works: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU Totally worth it for me because I needed specific answers about my situation that the website couldn't provide. The agent I spoke with was actually knowledgeable and fixed everything for me.
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Scarlett Forster
Im confused about something with this whole thing. I thought once u start getting SSDI that's it - you're locked into that amount forever even when you hit retirement age. Are you saying the amount can actually go UP at full retirement age if your spouse (or ex) made more? Why don't they tell people this stuff???
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James Maki
•When you reach FRA, your SSDI benefit automatically converts to retirement benefits at the same amount. At that point, you become eligible for spousal benefits if they would result in a higher payment. It's actually all in the SSA POMS manual (their procedural operations), but few people read those obviously! It's definitely not advertised widely.
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Leo Simmons
Thank you all for the helpful responses! I think I understand better now. When I reach my FRA, I should apply for divorced spouse benefits, and if 50% of my ex's PIA is higher than my current SSDI payment, I'll get some additional money. If not, I'll just keep getting what I get now. I'll definitely contact SSA before my birthday. Based on what several of you have said, it sounds like I should be prepared to advocate for myself since there seems to be confusion even among SSA staff about these rules.
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James Maki
•That's exactly right! And one more tip: when you contact SSA, specifically ask for a "divorced spouse benefit computation" when you reach FRA. Using the correct terminology sometimes helps ensure you get accurate information.
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Cole Roush
Just want to add that when I was trying to figure out my spousal benefits (not divorced in my case), I kept getting incomplete information until I finally got through to an actual Technical Expert at SSA. Regular claims reps sometimes don't fully understand the complexities of spousal benefits combined with disability conversions at FRA. If you have trouble reaching SSA by phone (which is likely - their wait times are terrible), I used Claimyr.com to get connected quickly. Their service bypasses the hold times and got me through to a representative in minutes instead of hours. Their video shows the process: https://youtu.be/Z-BRbJw3puU
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Leo Simmons
•Thank you for the tip! I'll look into that service if I have trouble getting through. The last time I tried calling SSA, I waited over 2 hours and then got disconnected. So frustrating!
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Kayla Morgan
one more thing - make sure ur getting the EXACT right amounts. my mom thought she was getting everything she should but my sister looked into it and found out mom was being underpaid by almost $200/month for like 3 years!!! ssa gave her backpay but only after a big fight
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Leo Simmons
•That's concerning! Did your mom have to provide any special documentation to prove she was being underpaid?
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Lindsey Fry
Just to add some clarity: When you reach FRA, you should receive a letter from SSA about your SSDI converting to retirement benefits. That's the perfect time to inquire about divorced spouse benefits. Be prepared with your marriage certificate and divorce decree. SSA should be able to look up your ex's record with his SSN, but if you don't have it, they can usually find it with his full name and date of birth. The divorced spouse benefit calculation is: 50% of your ex's PIA minus 100% of your own PIA. If the result is positive, you get that amount added to your benefit. If it's zero or negative, your benefit stays the same.
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Leo Simmons
•Thank you for explaining the exact calculation! I'll make sure to have my marriage certificate and divorce papers ready. I appreciate everyone's help in understanding this complex topic.
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