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my aunt went thru this. she got the higher amount but it took almost 4 months to process after my uncle died. make sure u have marriage certificate and death certificate ready. they needed like 10 different documents its crazy.
This thread has been really informative. To summarize the key points for the original poster: 1. Yes, you can claim your reduced retirement benefit now at 62 2. If your husband passes away, you can switch to his higher benefit as a survivor 3. Your early claiming doesn't affect your eventual survivor benefit amount 4. There may be a reduction to the survivor benefit if you claim it before your FRA 5. Given the large difference between your benefit and your husband's, even a reduced survivor benefit would likely be higher than your own This is a common strategy for couples with large benefit disparities. The lower-earning spouse often claims early while the higher-earning spouse maximizes their benefit (which becomes the survivor benefit).
one more thing nobody said is about TAXES!! if u take both benefits you might push urself into higher tax bracket. thats what happened to my friend Judy and she was so mad!!
Just to clarify - you don't receive both benefits simultaneously. You receive either survivor benefits OR your own retirement benefits, whichever you've applied for (and later can switch to the other if it makes financial sense). But yes, tax implications are definitely something to consider when planning your claiming strategy.
After reading through this whole thread, here's what I'd suggest based on what you've shared: 1. Since you don't need the immediate income (you have your teaching pension) and won't exceed the earnings limit with your consulting work, waiting until your FRA (67) to claim unreduced survivor benefits makes sense. 2. Then at 70, switch to your own retirement benefit which will have grown to approximately $3,224/month. 3. Before making a final decision, schedule an appointment with SSA to get a personalized analysis. They can run exact calculations based on your earnings record. 4. Consider meeting with a financial advisor who specializes in Social Security claiming strategies to factor in your complete financial picture, including tax implications. This strategy should maximize your lifetime benefits while providing income security.
I'm still confused about survivor vs retirement benefits. Are they the same amount? How do you know which one to take?
They're usually different amounts. Your retirement benefit is based on your own work history. The survivor benefit is based on your ex-husband's work history - specifically, it's based on what he would have received at his full retirement age. The best strategy depends on your specific situation. Generally: 1. If your survivor benefit would be higher than your own benefit at age 70, take the survivor benefit at your FRA (to get the full amount). 2. If your own benefit at 70 would be higher than the survivor benefit, take the survivor benefit early (even with the reduction) and switch to your own at 70. This is why getting a detailed benefit calculation from SSA for both benefits is so important before making a decision.
Thank you everyone for all this helpful information! I've made an appointment with my local SSA office for next month to discuss my specific situation. In the meantime, I'll gather my ex-husband's death certificate and our marriage/divorce documents. It's complicated, but it sounds like it might still be worth claiming survivor benefits even with the earnings reduction - especially if I can switch to my own benefit later. I'll definitely be clear about restricting my application to ONLY survivor benefits!
wait i'm confused... isn't windexing for cleaning windows? lol what does that have to do with social security??
Haha, no - though that's an understandable mix-up! In Social Security context, people sometimes incorrectly use "windexing" to refer to detailed benefit calculations done through a program called WINDOWS (WINdfall Offset WorkSheet). But as another commenter correctly pointed out, WINDOWS is actually for worker's compensation offset calculations, not retirement benefit matrices. What OP needs is a month-by-month benefit calculation showing various claiming age options, which is a different service.
One more tip: When the technical expert does your calculation, make sure to ask about the impact of the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and Government Pension Offset (GPO) if you've ever worked for a government entity where you didn't pay into Social Security. These provisions can significantly reduce your benefits and aren't accounted for in standard calculations. Also, if you're planning on continuing to work while collecting benefits before your FRA, make sure they explain how the earnings limit would affect your payments. The benefit calculation matrix is much more useful when it includes these adjustments.
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I see from your comments that you're planning to call SSA. When you do, make sure to ask specifically for a "payment explanation." The representative should be able to pull up a transaction code associated with that payment that will explain exactly what it was for. Common codes for small adjustments include: - 396/397: COLA adjustment - 310: Medicare premium adjustment - 150: Retroactive payment - 456: Taxation adjustment It's important to get this documented in case there's ever a question about it in the future. Also, verify if this impacts your total expected 2025 benefits in any way or if it was strictly a one-time correction for a past period.
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JacksonHarris
•Thank you for those specific codes! That's really helpful information. I'll ask about the transaction code specifically when I call. I'll update here once I find out what it was for in case it helps someone else.
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Chris King
I just realized something - check if this might be related to the Medicare Part B premium adjustment that was announced for 2025. The standard premium went up to $174.70 (from $164.90 in 2024), but if you were entitled to a smaller increase based on the "hold harmless" provision, they might have made an adjustment. Did your Medicare premium change recently?
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JacksonHarris
•Yes, my Medicare premium did change! I remember seeing the new amount on my December statement. That's a really good point - this could definitely be related to the hold harmless provision since my COLA increase wasn't that large. I'll bring this up specifically when I call.
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Zachary Hughes
•The hold harmless provision is a very likely explanation. It ensures that your Social Security benefit doesn't decrease when Medicare premiums increase. If the COLA increase to your SS benefit was less than the Medicare premium increase, SSA would have limited your premium increase, and this could be an adjustment related to that calculation. Very good insight.
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