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I've been divorced for 11 years after a 27-year marriage and never remarried. I'm now 67 (just past my FRA) and planning to delay claiming SS until I turn 70 to maximize my benefits. My ex-husband is a higher earner than me and is currently 65, still working. I know I might be eligible for up to 50% of his benefit if that's larger than my own retirement benefit. But I'm confused about how to figure this out since we're different ages (I'm 2 years older). When I turn 70, he'll only be 68 and not at his maximum benefit yet. How do I find out what his benefit amount would be? Is there some maximum cap on ex-spousal benefits? And do I need to wait until he actually files for his benefits, or can I claim on his record even if he's still working? The SSA website is so confusing on divorced spouse benefits and I can't get through on the phone. Any advice would be appreciated!
My husband is taking early retirement at 62 next month (his choice, not mine!). I know he'll get about 70% of his full retirement amount by claiming early. I'm 59 and have been a full-time caregiver to our two special needs children for most of my adult life, so I don't have enough work credits for my own SS benefit. My question is about MY future spousal benefits. My husband keeps insisting I'll get 50% of his benefit when I reach my full retirement age (67), but I'm not sure if that's 50% of what he WOULD have gotten at his full retirement age, or 50% of his reduced benefit? And if I decide to take MY benefits before my FRA, will there be another reduction? The SSA website is confusing me more than helping. Does anyone know exactly how spousal benefits work when the main earner takes early retirement? Thanks for your help!
my bro n sis-in-law just thru this. big headache. they had 2 go in person to ssa office cuz every time they calld they got diffrnt answers!! makes u crazy!!
Going in person can work, but the wait times are ridiculous these days. When I called using Claimyr, the agent pulled up both my and my husband's records and walked me through three different claiming scenarios with actual dollar amounts. It was so helpful to have real numbers to work with instead of just percentages. Definitely worth connecting with an actual agent who can see your specific details.
Just wanted to add one more thing that helped me understand the timing better - even though your spousal benefit amount is based on your husband's PIA (not his reduced amount), you still can't claim spousal benefits until your husband has actually filed for his own benefits. Since he's filing next month at 62, you'll be eligible to claim spousal benefits anytime after that (though waiting until your FRA of 67 gets you the full 50%). I made the mistake of thinking I could wait until my husband reached HIS full retirement age to start my spousal benefits, but that's not how it works. The clock starts ticking once he files, regardless of his age when he files.
Six years ago I lost my husband after 34 years of marriage. I'm now 60 and trying to figure out my Social Security options. When I called SSA, I was told that to get survivor benefits now, I'd need to keep my income under $16K per year due to earnings limits. Since I work full-time, that's not possible. The rep also told me something confusing - that even though my husband earned significantly more than me during his working years, I would only get my own benefit amount and his higher amount "wouldn't matter." This doesn't sound right based on what I've read elsewhere. My current plan is to continue working and wait until I'm 70 to file for benefits to maximize my monthly amount. But I'm wondering if I'm missing out on survivor benefits I could claim now or at my full retirement age? Has anyone navigated survivor benefits with higher earnings? Any insight would be appreciated!
Here's a simplified breakdown of your options as I understand your situation: 1. From 60-FRA: Reduced survivor benefits (71.5-99.9% of husband's benefit) BUT subject to earnings test 2. At FRA: Full survivor benefits (100% of husband's benefit) with NO earnings limit 3. At 70: Maximized personal retirement benefit (132% of your FRA amount) Best strategy is usually to claim whichever benefit is smaller first, then switch to the larger one later. For many widows, this means taking survivor benefits at FRA, then switching to their own at 70 if it will be higher. Remember that when comparing, you need to know: - Your FRA benefit amount - Your age-70 benefit amount (with delayed credits) - Your husband's PIA (primary insurance amount) An SSA claims specialist can provide these exact figures for you to make an informed decision.
This summary is incredibly helpful! I'm going to save this and use it as a guide when I talk to the claims specialist. Having these specific numbers will help me figure out which option gives me the best lifetime benefit. Based on our work histories, I suspect my own benefit at 70 will be higher than his survivor benefit, so your suggested strategy makes a lot of sense.
I'm so sorry for your loss, Mateo. Losing a spouse is incredibly difficult, and navigating Social Security on top of grief can feel overwhelming. I went through something similar when my husband passed three years ago. The information you're getting here is spot-on - that SSA rep definitely gave you incomplete information. You absolutely ARE entitled to your husband's higher benefit amount as a survivor! One thing I'd add to the excellent advice already given: make sure to ask SSA for your complete benefit estimates in writing. When I finally got through to a knowledgeable representative, they provided me with a detailed breakdown showing: - My own benefit at different claiming ages - My survivor benefit amount - Projections for both strategies (claim survivor first vs. claim own first) This written comparison made it so much clearer which approach would give me the most money over my lifetime. In my case, I'm planning to take survivor benefits at my FRA (66+4mo) and then switch to my own at 70 since mine will be about $200/month higher. Don't let that first phone call discourage you - keep pushing for the information you need. You've worked hard and deserve every benefit you're entitled to receive.
I'm turning my full retirement age (FRA) in 2025 and planning to claim my Social Security benefits then. My husband retired from his firefighter job and started collecting his own SS benefits about 5 years ago. We've heard that he might be eligible for spousal benefits based on my record if they'd be higher than what he's currently receiving. With all the recent changes to the Windfall Elimination Provision, I'm concerned about timing and process. I don't want to call and add to SSA's already overwhelmed phone lines if this is something straightforward. What I need to know is: When I apply for my benefits in 2025, can I somehow include him in my application for the spousal benefits? Or does he need to separately apply to switch from his current benefits to spousal benefits based on my record? And assuming everything goes through, would the spousal benefits start with my first check in 2025? Thanks in advance for any guidance!
Just to add one more thing - I would recommend applying for your benefits 3-4 months before you want them to start. That gives SSA plenty of time to process everything, including any potential spousal adjustment for your husband. With their current backlogs, the earlier you apply (within their allowed timeframe), the better!
Does anyone know if the firefighter pension affects this at all? My neighbor was saying something about GPO being different from WEP and that first responder pensions sometimes mess up spousal benefits completely
Great question! Yes, GPO (Government Pension Offset) is different from WEP and specifically affects spousal and survivor benefits. If the OP's husband receives a pension from a government job where he didn't pay Social Security taxes (some firefighter positions are like this, others aren't), then the GPO could reduce his spousal benefits by two-thirds of his government pension amount. In some cases, this can eliminate the spousal benefit entirely. However, if his firefighter position was covered by Social Security (meaning SS taxes were withheld from his paychecks), then GPO wouldn't apply. OP - you might want to check whether your husband's firefighter position was "covered" or "non-covered" employment for Social Security purposes, as this makes a big difference.
@Zainab Ismail brings up a crucial point about GPO! Sofia, this is definitely something you ll'want to verify before you apply. You can check your husband s'old pay stubs or W-2s from his firefighter job to see if Social Security taxes were deducted. If they were, you re'good to go and GPO won t'be an issue. If not, the GPO could significantly reduce or eliminate any spousal benefits he might be eligible for. Another way to check is to look at his Social Security statement online - if his firefighter earnings show up there, then those were covered years and GPO shouldn t'apply to spousal benefits from your record.
My husband has been on SSDI for about 7 years and receives approximately $2,000 per month. Yesterday, we got this bewildering letter from Social Security saying that when he reaches his Full Retirement Age next month, his benefit will DROP to around $1,535! I'm completely confused - I thought SSDI automatically converts to retirement benefits at exactly the same amount when you reach FRA. How can they possibly REDUCE his payment? It almost seems like they're stripping away all the cost of living adjustments he's received over the years. Has anyone experienced this? What's going on here? Should we appeal this decision or is this actually normal procedure I wasn't aware of?
After thinking about your situation more, I recalled another possibility: if your husband took reduced retirement benefits first and then later qualified for SSDI, his disability benefit would have included both his reduced retirement benefit PLUS an additional amount to bring it up to the full disability rate. When he reaches FRA, the additional amount stops, and he goes back to just his reduced retirement amount. This scenario would explain the significant drop. Did he by chance apply for early retirement before being approved for disability?
YES! That's exactly what happened! He took early retirement at 62 and then about 9 months later was approved for SSDI. So they increased his payment at that point. I had completely forgotten about that sequence of events. That explains why it's dropping back down now. Thank you so much for helping me figure this out!
Glad you figured it out! This is a perfect example of why it's important to understand how the original benefit was calculated. When someone takes early retirement and then qualifies for SSDI, they receive their reduced retirement benefit plus an additional amount to reach the full disability benefit level. At FRA, they return to their original reduced retirement amount plus any COLAs. For others reading this thread: this is why claiming strategy and timing matters so much with Social Security benefits. Taking early retirement can have long-term impacts even if you later qualify for disability.
Generally, if you think you might qualify for disability, it's better to apply for SSDI first rather than taking early retirement. However, each situation is unique based on your health, financial needs, and work history. The key takeaway is that these decisions can have long-term impacts on your benefit amounts.
@Lauren Zeb It s'definitely a complex situation! The general rule is that if you re'considering disability benefits, it s'usually better to apply for SSDI before taking early retirement. But like Anthony said, every case is different. If you re'dealing with a serious health condition and need income immediately, sometimes early retirement might be the only option while you wait for a disability decision which (can take months or even years .)The important thing is to understand the long-term implications before making the choice. You might want to consult with a Social Security disability attorney if you re'facing this decision - many offer free consultations.
Ravi Sharma
After reading through this thread, I'd recommend these steps: 1. Contact SSA to get specific estimates of what you'd receive as an ex-spouse benefit now vs. your own retirement benefit at 70. 2. If reaching SSA by phone is difficult (which it often is), consider either making an in-person appointment at your local office or trying a service that helps connect with SSA representatives. 3. Have your divorce decree, marriage certificate, and identification ready. 4. Ask specifically about whether your own benefit at 70 would exceed the ex-spouse benefit, and by how much. 5. Consider your current financial needs versus the long-term maximization of benefits. For many people who can afford to wait, delaying until 70 provides the highest lifetime benefit if you live past roughly age 80. But having actual numbers will help you make the best decision for your situation.
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CosmicCommander
AuthorThanks for summarizing everything so clearly. I'm in a good position financially to wait until 70, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing out on anything in the meantime. I'll definitely follow your advice and get those specific numbers from SSA.
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Katherine Ziminski
One thing that might help while you're waiting to get through to SSA - you can create a my Social Security account online at ssa.gov to see your estimated benefits at different claiming ages. While it won't show you your ex-spouse benefit amount (since that depends on his record), it will give you a clear picture of what your own retirement benefit would be at 70 versus now. This can help you prepare for the conversation with SSA and give you a baseline to compare against when they tell you about the ex-spouse benefit option. The online account also shows your complete earnings history, so you can double-check that all your wages were properly credited. It's free and only takes a few minutes to set up with some basic verification questions.
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