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My sister works for our state retirement system and she said they're getting flooded with calls from retirees who got similar scam emails. The scammers are really targeting public pensioners right now!
Just wanted to add my experience - I'm a retired postal worker and got hit with the same scam email about 2 weeks ago. What really bothered me was how detailed it was - they knew I was affected by WEP and even mentioned my approximate benefit reduction amount. I called SSA directly (waited 3 hours but finally got through) and the agent confirmed it was a scam. She said they've had a huge uptick in these targeted phishing attempts against public service retirees in the last few months. The scammers are definitely doing their homework to make these emails look legitimate. The agent also told me that when ANY major legislation affecting WEP/GPO passes, SSA will send multiple official paper notices by mail before any changes take effect. They would never rely on email for something this significant. Stay vigilant everyone!
This is really helpful information - thank you for sharing your experience and for actually calling SSA to verify! It's scary how much detail these scammers have about our situations. I'm definitely going to be more careful about any emails claiming to be from SSA, especially ones that seem to know specific details about my benefits. The 3-hour wait time you mentioned is exactly why these scams work so well - we're all desperate to avoid those endless hold times!
wait so if you get survivor benefits do you still get your own ss payment too or just the higher one?
You only receive the higher of the two benefits, not both combined. If your survivor benefit (after any GPO reduction) is higher than your own retirement benefit (after any WEP reduction), you'll receive the survivor benefit amount. If your own benefit is higher, you'll keep receiving that. In the original poster's case, based on the numbers shared, the GPO-reduced survivor benefit would likely be higher than her WEP-reduced retirement benefit, so she would switch to receiving the survivor benefit instead.
I'm in a very similar situation and wanted to share what I learned during my recent SSA appointment. I was a federal employee for 28 years and my husband passed away 6 months ago. Like you, I was told I couldn't get survivor benefits due to GPO. After reading the helpful responses here, I called SSA using the tip about calling right at opening time - got through in about 15 minutes! The representative calculated that even with the GPO reduction, I would still receive about $800 monthly in survivor benefits (compared to my current $620 WEP-reduced benefit). What really surprised me was that they were able to process everything over the phone since I already had most documents on file from previous applications. I didn't need an in-person appointment. They said I should see the first payment within 4-6 weeks, and yes - I'm getting retroactive payments back to the month after my husband passed away. Don't give up hope! Even with these unfair GPO rules still in place, you very likely qualify for benefits that would significantly help your financial situation. The math shared by others here seems spot-on based on my experience.
Just to follow up on this thread - the reason this happens is that SSA processes retirement benefits and COLA adjustments in batches according to your Social Security number and benefit type. For couples, if you have different last names or were enrolled at different times, your records might be in different processing batches. The good news is that by February, everything should normalize and both payments will include the correct COLA amount as part of the regular monthly benefit. The separate payment is perfectly normal and not a mistake you need to worry about. I recommend checking your benefit verification letters in your MySocialSecurity accounts in early February - they should reflect the updated amounts going forward.
I work for a local senior services organization and we've been getting a lot of calls about this exact situation! You're definitely not alone - we've heard from probably 20+ people in the past week with the same pattern of getting their regular payment with COLA, then a separate smaller deposit a day or two later. From what we've learned from SSA, this is happening more frequently this year because they updated their payment processing system. The separate deposit is almost certainly your husband's COLA adjustment. The system prioritizes getting regular payments out on schedule, then catches up with the COLA calculations in a second wave. One tip: if you use direct deposit, the separate COLA payment might show up with a slightly different description on your bank statement (something like "SSA COLA ADJ" instead of just "SSA"). That's another way to confirm what it is without having to call and wait on hold!
As a newcomer trying to understand all this, it's really helpful to see everyone's explanations! From what I'm gathering, the key distinction is that GPO only affects Social Security benefits you'd receive based on someone ELSE'S work record (like spousal or survivor benefits), but it doesn't touch the Social Security you earned from your own work history. So @Carter Holmes, your $2,304/month Social Security benefit that you earned yourself should be completely safe - GPO won't reduce it at all, even when you start receiving your wife's CalSTRS pension as a survivor benefit. The confusing part seems to be that there are two separate government pension rules (GPO and WEP) that people often mix up, plus SSA's own explanations aren't always clear. But everyone here seems to agree on the basic principle: your own earned SS benefits = protected from GPO. I'd definitely follow the advice about getting an official determination from SSA though, just to have it in writing for your peace of mind!
Thanks for that clear summary @Paolo Romano! As another newcomer here, I really appreciate how everyone broke this down. The distinction between GPO (affects spousal/survivor benefits) vs WEP (affects your own benefits if you worked non-SS jobs) is super important. It sounds like Carter's situation is actually pretty straightforward - he gets to keep his full $2,304 SS plus potentially inherit the $7,400 CalSTRS if his wife passes first. That's actually a really good outcome compared to some of the other situations people described here where GPO really hurts their survivor benefits. Definitely agree about getting the official SSA determination though!
This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm in a similar situation with my spouse who has a state teacher retirement system pension. What I'm learning from everyone's experiences is that there are really two key questions to ask yourself: 1. Are you claiming Social Security based on YOUR OWN work record? (If yes, GPO doesn't apply) 2. Are you claiming Social Security based on your SPOUSE'S work record? (If yes, GPO might reduce those benefits) @Carter Holmes - it sounds like you're in category #1, so you should be fine. But I'm curious - have you considered whether your wife might have ANY Social Security credits from work before teaching? Even a small SS survivor benefit could be worth checking on, though it would be subject to GPO. Also, for anyone dealing with these complex rules, I've found that the SSA's online calculators and benefit estimates don't always account for GPO/WEP properly, so the official determination that @Sophia Long mentioned is really important. Don't rely on the online estimates alone! Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences - this is exactly the kind of real-world knowledge that's so hard to find elsewhere.
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UPDATE: I just want to thank everyone for the helpful advice. I talked to my potential employer and negotiated a work schedule that will keep me under the $22,320 annual limit. I'll be tracking my earnings carefully, and I'm relieved to know the exact rules now. This community has been incredibly helpful!
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Andre Laurent
•glad it worked out for you! 👍
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Brady Clean
Congratulations on working out a solution with your employer! That's really smart planning. Just wanted to add one more tip for anyone else in a similar situation - if you're close to the earnings limit, consider asking your employer about flexible scheduling or the option to temporarily reduce hours later in the year if needed. Many employers are understanding about Social Security restrictions, especially for part-time positions. It's much easier to stay under the limit proactively than to deal with overpayments later!
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Nora Bennett
•That's excellent advice about talking to employers upfront! I wish more people knew that most employers are willing to work with you on Social Security restrictions. It shows how important it is to be transparent about your situation from the beginning. Thanks for sharing that tip - it could really help others avoid the stress and complications of exceeding the earnings limit.
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