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PA UC confusion with per diem job - can I stop filing while in training?

I'm really confused about my PA unemployment situation right now. I recently got hired for a per diem nursing position but I'm still in training and only getting 2 days a week (16 hours). My old job let me go from a similar per diem position about 6 weeks ago. I've been filing partial claims during training, but here's my dilemma: I want to KEEP this job and I'm happy with it, but some weeks I might get full-time hours while others I might not - it totally depends on facility needs. I spoke with someone at CareerLink who seemed just as confused as me! They told me I need to keep filing weekly claims AND continue doing job searches even though I already have a job I want to keep. They said I can't just close my claim since my hours aren't consistent. The CareerLink person also mentioned two concerning things: 1) If I stop doing job searches, I might have to repay benefits, but 2) If I do job searches but turn down offers because I already have a job, I might ALSO have to repay benefits! This makes no sense to me. Can someone explain if this is right? Can I really not just stop claiming and close my case even though I have a job I'm happy with? This whole situation feels ridiculous.

Daryl Bright

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This is one of those frustrating grey areas in the PA UC system. The short answer is: Yes, you should continue filing weekly claims and doing job searches until you're consistently working full-time hours (32+ hours per week). Being per diem means your hours aren't guaranteed, so technically you're still 'partially unemployed' in weeks you don't get full-time hours. The CareerLink person was correct that if you stop doing job searches while collecting partial benefits, you could face an overpayment issue. However, regarding turning down job offers - you only need to report job offers you actually reject, and you can have valid reasons for rejection (like schedule conflicts with your current job). My advice: keep doing the required job search activities but focus on positions that wouldn't interfere with your current job (different shifts, etc.). Document everything in case you need to explain later.

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Natalie Khan

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Thank you for this explanation! It helps a lot. So even if I'm happy with my current per diem position, I need to keep looking for other jobs until I hit consistent full-time hours? That seems so counterproductive. Is there a certain number of weeks I need to work full-time before I can stop filing? And what about these job searches - do I need to apply to jobs I have no intention of taking?

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Sienna Gomez

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The whole UC system is SUCH A JOKE when it comes to per diem workers!!! I went through this EXACT nightmare last year and ended up with a $2,100 overpayment because I didn't do enough "job searches" while working my per diem hospital job. I told them repeatedly I WANTED to keep my job but sometimes only got 10-12 hours a week. They didn't care!!! The rules basically force you to look for jobs you don't want or risk losing benefits. It's completely BACKWARDS and punishes healthcare workers who accept per diem positions! The PA UC system is designed for traditional 9-5 jobs, not modern flexible work arrangements. GOOD LUCK trying to get anyone at UC to understand your situation - I called 92 TIMES over 3 weeks and never got through.

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omg this happened to my cousin too! she worked at a nursing home and got hit with like $3000 in overpayments bc she didnt apply to enough jobs while on partial. the system is so broken

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Abigail bergen

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I help people navigate these situations all the time. Here's what you need to understand: Pennsylvania UC rules require you to be able, available, and actively seeking work while receiving ANY benefits - even partial benefits. Until you have a full-time permanent position (consistently working 32+ hours weekly), you must continue meeting the work search requirements. For your situation, I recommend: 1) Keep filing weekly claims accurately reporting all hours/earnings 2) Complete your work search activities each week (PA requires 2 job applications and 1 work search activity) 3) Document everything - keep records of all your job applications and work search activities 4) Consider applying for positions similar to your current one but with guaranteed hours If you want to stop dealing with UC entirely, you would need to simply stop filing weekly claims, but then you'd receive no benefits during weeks with reduced hours. Have you tried calling the UC office directly to get clarification? Many people have luck using Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to an agent without waiting on hold for hours. They have a video demo at https://youtu.be/CEPETxZdo9E?si=WL1ZzVZWG3KiHrg2 showing how it works. Getting official guidance for your specific situation might give you more peace of mind.

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Natalie Khan

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Thank you for the detailed advice. I haven't been able to get through to an actual UC agent - just CareerLink who seemed unsure. I'll look into Claimyr because I really need to speak with someone who can give me an official answer. My biggest concern is getting hit with an overpayment down the road. Would it be better to just stop filing entirely even though I'm only getting part-time hours during training? I'd rather get no benefits than deal with repaying them later.

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Ahooker-Equator

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just wonderin but what field are u in? healthcare? i'm in a similar boat with restaurant work. some weeks i get like 38 hrs and others i get like 15 hrs and its so confusing with uc. i just keep filing and hoping i dont mess up somewhere

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Natalie Khan

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Yes, I'm in healthcare - I'm a CNA at a nursing facility. The schedule is so unpredictable because it depends on patient census and staff callouts. Some weeks are great with extra shifts, others I barely get my minimum guaranteed hours. It's stressful never knowing if I should keep filing or not.

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The guidelines for PA UC are very specific regarding per diem work. You are considered partially unemployed and eligible for partial benefits when working less than full-time (under 32 hours). You must continue performing and documenting your work search requirements (applying to 2 jobs and completing 1 work search activity each week) as long as you're filing for ANY benefits. Regarding your concern about turning down job offers: You have a valid reason to decline offers that conflict with your current employment schedule. This is acceptable under UC guidelines and wouldn't disqualify you. One important point: If you anticipate your hours increasing soon, you might consider whether the hassle of continued filing is worth the partial benefit amount. Some claimants in your situation choose to stop filing once they secure regular employment, even if part-time, to avoid potential complications. You can't technically "close" your claim - you would simply stop filing weekly certifications. Your benefit year remains open for 52 weeks from when you applied, and you can resume filing if your hours decrease significantly. For definitive answers, speaking directly with a UC representative would be most beneficial.

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Tyrone Hill

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i wish they made this clearer on there website! i spent 3 hours looking for info about per diem work last month and couldnt find anything specific. thanks for explaining it so clearly!

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Sienna Gomez

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Quick update - I just remembered something important about my situation that might help you. When I was dealing with per diem work, I found out you can actually list your job search activities as looking for ADDITIONAL work that wouldn't interfere with your current job. So instead of applying to full-time positions that would conflict, I applied to weekend-only or evening positions at other facilities that could supplement my existing job. The UC rep I finally reached said this was perfectly acceptable since I was still looking for ways to become fully employed. Might be a way to thread the needle in your situation!

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Natalie Khan

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That's actually really smart! I never thought about applying for complementary positions instead of conflicting ones. I could definitely look for weekend-only options at other facilities that would work around my current schedule. Thanks for this tip!

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has anyone else noticed that the pa uc website has literally NO guidance about per diem work?? i spent like an hour searching for info when i was working as a substitute teacher and couldnt find ANYTHING about what to do in situations where your hours change week to week. its like they want us to mess up or something

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Daryl Bright

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You're right. The PA UC website really lacks clear guidance for non-traditional work arrangements like per diem, substitute teaching, gig work, etc. I've helped several people navigate these situations, and it almost always requires speaking directly with a knowledgeable UC representative to get accurate information. The general rules about partial employment apply, but the practical application for variable schedules isn't well documented.

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Daryl Bright

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Just to clarify one important point from my earlier comment: According to PA UC regulations, you need to consistently work 30+ hours per week (not 32 as I incorrectly stated) for three consecutive weeks to be considered "full-time employed" and no longer eligible for benefits. At that point, you would naturally stop filing. During training or periods of inconsistent scheduling, you're considered partially unemployed and eligible for partial benefits, which is why you need to continue the job search requirements.

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Natalie Khan

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Oh that's really helpful to know! So if I can get to 30+ hours for 3 consecutive weeks, I could stop dealing with all this? My training should be done in about 2 weeks, so maybe I'll be able to pick up enough shifts after that to hit the 30-hour threshold for 3 weeks and be done with UC altogether. Thanks for this clarification.

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