Fired after refusing mandatory overtime at PA job - eligible for UC with separation issue?
So this just happened last week. My manager fired me after calling me 'unprofessional' and 'difficult to work with' because I refused to stay past my scheduled shifts. The thing is, they were CONSTANTLY understaffed and expected me to just stay late with zero notice. I had to pick up my 6-year-old from daycare and got charged extra fees TWICE when I was late. When I explained this situation to my boss, she said I needed to be 'more flexible' and 'a team player.' After I refused to stay 3 hours late last Thursday (again, with NO notice), she fired me on the spot. I filed for PA unemployment right away, but now my claim is showing a 'separation issue.' I'm worried they're going to say I was fired for cause or misconduct or something. Has anyone dealt with this? Am I eligible for UC benefits when childcare was the reason I couldn't work overtime? The extra hours weren't in my contract, and they were always last-minute requests!
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Ravi Sharma
You should be eligible. In PA, refusing *mandatory* overtime CAN be misconduct, but employers need to have clear policies that are consistently enforced. Plus, having legitimate childcare responsibilities is usually considered good cause for refusing overtime, especially with no advance notice. When you have your interview with UC, make sure to emphasize: 1) You had legitimate childcare obligations, 2) You communicated this to your employer, 3) The overtime was not part of your regular schedule or employment agreement, and 4) You were given no advance notice to arrange alternative childcare. Document everything, including the daycare late fees you had to pay.
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Isabella Santos
•Thank you so much for this! Do you know how long the 'separation issue' usually takes to resolve? I'm getting really worried about bills coming up.
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Freya Larsen
•my mom went thru something similar and she got approved. they cant force u to stay late especially with kids. just be honest with them when they call u
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Omar Hassan
This exact thing almost happened to me!!! I was a cashier at a grocery store and they were ALWAYS short-staffed and expected me to stay 2-3 hours after my shift. I have 2 kids and my boss acted like that was MY problem not THERES. They scheduled me for closing shifts when I specifically said I couldn't work past 7pm. They never fired me but I quit after 3 months because I couldn't deal with it anymore. PA UC denied me because I quit but your case is different - they FIRED you which means you should qualify as long as you explain about your kids!!
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Chloe Taylor
•You might have qualified even after quitting if you documented that they changed your hours against your availability. That's considered a material change in employment terms. Just FYI for anyone else reading this thread!
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ShadowHunter
After you filed, did you get an email about a fact-finding interview? That's what happens with separation issues. The UC examiner will talk to both you and your former employer to determine if you were fired for willful misconduct. In PA, refusing overtime isn't automatically misconduct - it depends on the circumstances. I went through something similar in 2023 and finally just used Claimyr (claimyr.com) to get through to someone at UC after waiting 5 weeks with no movement on my claim. They connected me within 20 minutes when I had been trying for days to get through. There's a video that shows how it works: https://youtu.be/CEPETxZdo9E?si=WL1ZzVZWG3KiHrg2 Make sure to prepare for your interview by writing down all the dates and details. Explain that you had a legitimate childcare obligation that your employer knew about and refused to accommodate.
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Isabella Santos
•I did get an email about a fact-finding interview, but it's not scheduled until next week. I'm getting really nervous about it. Is there anything specific I should mention about PA laws regarding overtime refusal? I really appreciate the tip about Claimyr - might use that if things get delayed further.
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Diego Ramirez
PA UC examiner here. I don't handle individual claims, but I can give general information. For separation issues involving refusal of overtime and subsequent termination, we consider several factors: 1. Was overtime clearly stated as a job requirement when hired? 2. Was there a legitimate reason for refusing overtime (childcare obligations qualify)? 3. Was reasonable notice provided for the overtime request? 4. Did the employee communicate their limitations? In your case, having documented childcare obligations that were communicated to your employer and being terminated for that reason would typically NOT be considered willful misconduct. Be clear and factual in your interview, avoid emotional statements about your former employer, and provide any documentation of your daycare pickup requirements and the fees you incurred. Keep filing your weekly certifications while your case is under review. If approved, you'll receive back payments for eligible weeks.
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Isabella Santos
•This is incredibly helpful - thank you! I wasn't informed about overtime being mandatory when I was hired, and I did tell my manager multiple times about my childcare situation. I'll make sure to have my daycare late fee receipts ready for the interview.
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Anastasia Sokolov
•Is it true that PA considers childcare a valid reason? My friend in Ohio got denied because they said she should have "made arrangements" even though the overtime was last minute. Different state rules I guess??
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Diego Ramirez
•Yes, PA and Ohio have different standards. In PA, childcare obligations generally constitute good cause for refusing unscheduled overtime, especially with no advance notice. The key is whether the employee had a reasonable alternative - with last-minute demands and young children, alternatives are limited. Each case is evaluated individually, however.
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Freya Larsen
they cant make u work overtime if u have kids!!!!! thats illegal!!! my cousin sued her job for this and won big money u should talk to a lawyer not just file unemployment
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Chloe Taylor
•That's not actually accurate. While family responsibilities are protected in some cases, there's no blanket law making mandatory overtime illegal for parents. It depends on many factors including company size, state laws, and employment agreements. Consult with an employment attorney if you think your rights were violated, but don't assume you have an automatic lawsuit.
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Omar Hassan
Has anyone seen their UC claim stuck with a 'separation issue' for a long time? Mine took 7 WEEKS to resolve and I almost lost my apartment waiting. The system is so broken!!! I kept calling and calling and never got through. I hate how they make it impossible to talk to someone!!!
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ShadowHunter
•Yes, separation issues can take 4-8 weeks these days. The PA UC system is severely understaffed. That's why I mentioned Claimyr earlier - it's literally the only way I've been able to get through to a human being at UC in the past year. Worth it when you're desperate and bills are piling up.
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Ravi Sharma
Make sure you're continuing to file your weekly claims while waiting for the separation issue to be resolved. A common mistake is thinking you can't or shouldn't file until the initial claim is approved. If you're found eligible, they'll pay you for those weeks, but ONLY if you've properly certified for them. Also, document any attempts by your employer to contest your UC claim. It's common for employers to claim insubordination in these cases, so be prepared to clearly explain the childcare issue and how it was communicated.
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Isabella Santos
•I have been filing weekly claims, so that's good to know! My former employer is pretty vindictive, so I wouldn't be surprised if they fight this hard. I'm trying to gather evidence showing this wasn't just a one-time thing but an ongoing issue with their scheduling and staffing.
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Sean O'Connor
my boss tried to do the EXACT same thing to me but i got lucky and found another job before they could fire me. these companies think they OWN us and our time!!! the whole system is rigged against workers with families. good luck with your claim!
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Anastasia Sokolov
•So true! My last job tried to write me up for leaving on time when we were busy. Like sorry your scheduling and staffing issues aren't my problem? I have a life outside work! Glad the OP is fighting this.
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