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Can PA UC disqualify you for 'theft of time' from an accidental timesheet error?

Hi everyone, I'm in a complete panic right now. I was just terminated from my warehouse job for what they're calling 'theft of time.' Basically what happened was I missed clocking in after lunch one day last week, and when I filled out the correction form, I accidentally wrote down the wrong time (wrote 1:00 instead of 1:30). My supervisor noticed it during timesheet review and reported it to HR. I explained it was a genuine mistake - I wasn't trying to get paid for time I didn't work! But they said company policy considers any timesheet falsification as theft of time, regardless of intent. I filed for unemployment yesterday, but I'm worried they'll deny me because of this. Has anyone been disqualified from PA UC for something like this? I've worked there for 3 years with no issues before this, and I really need the benefits while I look for something else.

Dmitry Ivanov

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This exact thing happened to me at a factory job in Allentown!!! They called it 'time theft' too and fired me over a 15-minute discrepancy that was literally just me forgetting to clock back in from break. The UC people initially DENIED my claim saying I was fired for 'willful misconduct' but I appealed and WON. You need to be ready to prove it wasn't intentional at your appeal hearing. Do you have any evidence that shows it was just a mistake? Any witnesses? Previous good timekeeping records?

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StarSailor

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Thank you for responding! That gives me some hope. Did you have a lawyer for your appeal? I have my performance reviews from the last 3 years showing excellent attendance and no disciplinary issues. And I think a couple coworkers would back me up that I was definitely working during that time - I was helping unload a truck that afternoon.

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Ava Garcia

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The key issue here is whether your actions constitute 'willful misconduct' under PA unemployment rules. A single timesheet error, especially if it was genuinely accidental, typically would not rise to that level. The burden is on your employer to prove you deliberately falsified your timesheet with the intent to defraud them. When you receive your Notice of Determination, read it carefully. If denied, you have 15 days to file an appeal. During the appeal hearing, emphasize: 1) Your clean work history, 2) That this was an isolated incident, 3) That you made an honest mistake without fraudulent intent. Employers often don't show up to these hearings, which works in your favor.

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StarSailor

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Thank you for this detailed explanation! The part about 'willful misconduct' makes sense. So even though they categorized it as 'theft of time,' UC might view it differently if it was just a mistake? I'll definitely appeal if I get denied.

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Miguel Silva

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not to contradict the good advice here but my cousin got fired for something similar at a hospital and they denied his benefits. the referee said even a mistake can be willful misconduct if it violates a known policy. did they ever warn you about timesheet accuracy before? or make you sign anything about it when you started? that could matter alot

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Zainab Ismail

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I think ur overthinking this. One small mistake on a timesheet is hardly theft! UC isn't gonna deny u for that unless ur employer can prove u were doing it regularly or somethin. Just be honest when u file and explain exactly what happened.

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This is actually incorrect advice. PA UC can absolutely disqualify someone for a single incident if the employer can establish it was willful misconduct. The key factor isn't the frequency but whether the claimant knowingly violated a work rule. That said, a genuine mistake typically doesn't meet the standard for willful misconduct unless there was a clear pattern of negligence or the employee had been previously warned about similar issues.

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StarSailor

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Thanks for the tip! I've been trying to get through on the phone with no luck. If my claim gets denied, I'll definitely check this out for the appeal process.

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Yara Nassar

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This is why I HATE at-will employment in PA. Companies can fire you for the tiniest mistake and call it whatever they want! "Theft of time" sounds way worse than "made a 30-minute error on timesheet" but they use these big terms to try to block your benefits. The whole system is designed to protect employers not workers. I got fired once for "unauthorized computer use" which was literally just checking my personal email during lunch break. UC still approved me though because it wasn't willful misconduct.

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Dmitry Ivanov

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EXACTLY!!! Companies make up these dramatic policy violations to scare people! And half the time the UC people see right through it. The system is broken but sometimes it works if you fight hard enough.

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Connor O'Neill

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Based on what you've described, you should qualify for benefits, but be prepared for potential challenges. Here's what you need to know about PA UC and misconduct cases: 1. For a misconduct disqualification, your employer must prove your actions were deliberate and against their interests 2. A single timesheet error, if truly accidental, typically doesn't meet the willful misconduct standard 3. Prepare documentation showing your good work history and any evidence that supports it was an unintentional error 4. If denied, appeal immediately - many initial denials are overturned on appeal 5. In your claim filing and any communications, be consistent about the facts and emphasize it was an unintentional error Don't panic - many employers claim misconduct but fail to provide sufficient evidence during the UC determination process.

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StarSailor

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Thank you so much for this thorough explanation. I'm going to start gathering my documentation now just in case. I have all my performance reviews saved, which should help show my good work history.

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Miguel Silva

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did u sign anything when they fired u?? be careful because sometimes HR makes u sign things that look like standard exit paperwork but actually say ur admitting to the policy violation!! happened to my brother-in-law and they used it against him in his unemployment hearing

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StarSailor

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Oh no, I did sign some exit paperwork. I was so upset I didn't read it carefully. I'm going to dig it out and see exactly what it says. Thanks for the warning!

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Dmitry Ivanov

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Just wanted to update you - I remembered another thing that helped win my case! The UC referee asked my employer if they had any proof that I wasn't actually working during the 15 minutes in question. They couldn't prove I wasn't there working (because I was!) so that really helped my case. If your coworkers saw you working during that 30-minute period, that could be super important evidence!

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StarSailor

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That's brilliant! I was definitely working - we were unloading a delivery truck that came in late and several people saw me. I'll ask if they'd be willing to provide statements if needed. Thank you!

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Ava Garcia

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One final piece of advice: when you're completing your weekly certifications while waiting for a determination, make sure you answer all questions accurately and consistently with your initial claim. Contradicting yourself between your initial claim and weekly certifications can create additional issues. Also, continue to meet all work search requirements (applying to at least two jobs per week and completing one work search activity) and document everything carefully. This won't affect the misconduct determination, but it ensures you don't have any other issues with your claim.

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StarSailor

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Thank you for this reminder. I'll make sure to be consistent and keep detailed records of all my job applications and work search activities. I don't want any other complications with my claim.

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