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Anastasia Popov

Withholding tax requirements for foreign contractor working in non-treaty country for US company

I'm a permanent resident of Brazil and I'm looking to work as an independent contractor for a US-based tech company while living here in South America. Just to be clear, I'm *not* a US citizen or resident in any way. My plan is to provide all services remotely from Brazil, so my income would be locally sourced here, *not* from the US. The complication is that Brazil doesn't have a tax treaty with the US. I know foreign contractors typically need to fill out the W-8BEN form. From what I understand, since there's no applicable tax treaty, I'd have to leave Part II (Claim of Tax Treaty Benefits) blank on that form. What's confusing me is whether this means the US company will be required to withhold 30% tax from my payments? This seems illogical to me because the income isn't US-sourced - I'm doing all the work in Brazil. So I'm wondering if I've misunderstood how the law works in this situation. Does anyone know if the 30% withholding tax even applies in my case? Or are there exceptions for contractors working entirely outside the US, even without a tax treaty?

Sean Murphy

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The 30% withholding generally applies to US-sourced income paid to foreign persons. The key factor in your situation is whether your income is considered US-sourced or foreign-sourced. For personal services (which include independent contractor work), the source of income typically depends on where you physically perform the services, not where your client is located. Since you're performing all services in Brazil, your income would likely be considered foreign-sourced income from a US tax perspective. Even without a tax treaty, there's no US withholding requirement on foreign-sourced income. You should still complete Form W-8BEN for the US company's records, but you wouldn't complete Part II since there's no applicable tax treaty. The form serves to document your foreign status and the foreign source of your income. I would recommend clearly documenting that all services are performed outside the US in your contract with the company. This helps establish the foreign-source nature of your income.

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Zara Khan

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Thanks for the detailed explanation! Just to clarify, does this mean that even though Brazil doesn't have a tax treaty with the US, the US company should NOT withhold any taxes from my payments since the work is performed entirely in Brazil? My potential employer seems confused about this and is insisting they need to withhold. Also, would this change if I occasionally visited the US for meetings with the company?

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Sean Murphy

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Correct - if all your work is performed in Brazil, the income is foreign-sourced, and the US company should not withhold US taxes, even without a tax treaty. Your employer might be confused because they're accustomed to withholding from payments to foreign contractors when the work is performed in the US. This would change if you performed services while physically in the US. Any income connected to work done while in the US would be considered US-sourced and potentially subject to withholding. For occasional business trips, you'd need to allocate income between US and foreign sources, which can get complicated. Consider consulting with a tax professional who specializes in international taxation if you'll be traveling to the US for work.

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Luca Ferrari

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Nia Davis

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That sounds promising! Did you have to provide any specific documentation when using the tool? I'm in a similar situation but in Thailand (also no tax treaty) and my US client is really confused about whether they need to withhold or not.

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I'm skeptical about these kinds of services. Did you actually show this report to a US employer and they accepted it? My experience with US companies is they tend to follow the most conservative approach possible to avoid any IRS issues.

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Luca Ferrari

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Nia Davis

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Yuki Sato

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One important thing to remember: even if you're exempt from US withholding, you still need to comply with the tax laws in the country where you're residing and working. In my experience as a contractor in the Philippines (also no tax treaty with US), I had to register as a self-employed individual with our local tax authority and pay income taxes here. The absence of US withholding doesn't mean tax-free income - it just shifts all tax responsibility to your country of residence. Make sure you understand the local tax implications before committing to this arrangement. Some countries have special tax regimes for foreign-derived income that might be beneficial.

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That's a really good point about local taxes! Do you have any advice on handling the situation where I need to provide proof to my Brazilian tax authorities that no taxes were withheld in the US? I'm worried they might think I'm trying to avoid taxes if I can't show documentation.

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Yuki Sato

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For Brazilian authorities, you'll want to keep detailed payment records from your US client showing the full amounts without withholding. Most importantly, make sure your contract clearly states that all services are performed in Brazil. I found it helpful to request an annual statement from my US client confirming the total payments made to me and explicitly stating that no US tax was withheld because the services were performed outside the US. This type of documentation helps demonstrate to your local tax authorities that you're reporting all income appropriately. Some clients can provide a modified 1099-NEC or a simple letter on company letterhead.

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Carmen Flores

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I think there's some confusion in this thread. The 30% withholding CAN apply even if you're working outside the US if what you're providing falls under royalties or certain types of services that generate FDAP income. If you're creating intellectual property, software that the US company will own, or providing services that could be considered royalties, different rules might apply. The withholding exemption for services performed outside the US primarily applies to personal services.

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Andre Dubois

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This is actually a really important distinction! Can you elaborate on what types of contractor services might be considered royalties or FDAP income? I'm a graphic designer and sometimes create logos and branding materials that companies own the rights to.

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That's a crucial point that often gets overlooked! For graphic design work, it typically depends on the specific arrangement. If you're providing personal services (designing logos, creating artwork) and the payment is for your labor and expertise, it's usually considered compensation for services rather than royalties - even if the client owns the final product. However, if you're licensing existing intellectual property you created (like stock graphics, templates, or software you developed), or if the contract specifically structures payments as royalties for IP usage, then it could be treated as FDAP income subject to withholding. The key test is whether you're being paid for your personal services/labor versus being paid for the use of intellectual property. Most custom design work falls under personal services, but I'd recommend having your contract reviewed to ensure the language clearly reflects a service arrangement rather than an IP licensing deal. When in doubt, it's worth getting clarification from a tax professional who specializes in international contractor arrangements, especially for creative work where the IP ownership lines can be blurry.

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This is such a helpful thread! I'm in a similar situation as a freelance writer working from Mexico for several US clients. The consensus here about foreign-sourced income not being subject to US withholding (even without a tax treaty) matches what I've experienced, but I wanted to add one practical tip. When negotiating contracts, I always include a specific clause stating that "all services under this agreement will be performed exclusively outside the United States" and require the client to acknowledge this in writing. This has helped me avoid the back-and-forth confusion that many of you described with your employers' accounting departments. I've also found it useful to proactively send my clients a brief explanation of the tax rules along with my completed W-8BEN form at the start of our working relationship. Most US companies appreciate the clarity upfront rather than discovering the tax implications after they've already set up their payroll systems. For those dealing with resistant clients, I recommend pointing them to IRS Publication 515, which clearly explains the sourcing rules for compensation for personal services. Having the official IRS guidance usually resolves any lingering doubts from their side.

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KingKongZilla

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This is excellent advice about being proactive with contract language! I wish I had thought to include that specific clause from the beginning. I'm currently dealing with a situation where my client's HR department keeps asking me to fill out I-9 forms and other employee paperwork even though I'm clearly an independent contractor working from outside the US. Having that explicit language in the contract would probably help establish the boundaries more clearly. Do you have any other contract clauses you'd recommend for international contractors? I'm particularly curious about how you handle invoicing and payment terms to make the foreign-sourced nature of the income even more obvious to their accounting teams.

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Logan Scott

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Great point about the I-9 forms - that's a classic red flag that shows confusion about contractor vs employee status! For invoicing, I always include my foreign address prominently and add a line item description like "Consulting services performed remotely from [country]" to make the location crystal clear. I also recommend adding clauses about: (1) confirmation that you're responsible for your own tax obligations in your country of residence, (2) that the client has no authority to withhold any taxes unless required by law, and (3) explicit statement that this is a contractor relationship with no US tax nexus. One thing that's helped me avoid the employee paperwork confusion is including language that you'll provide services "as an independent contractor operating your own business" rather than just "as a contractor." The business language seems to help HR departments understand they shouldn't be treating you like a remote employee.

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Omar Hassan

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This thread has been incredibly helpful! I'm dealing with a very similar situation as a software developer working from Brazil for a US startup. The information about foreign-sourced income not being subject to US withholding has been eye-opening. One thing I'd like to add for other Brazilian contractors: make sure you understand how this affects your tax situation with Receita Federal. Since you'll be receiving the full payment without US withholding, you'll need to declare this as foreign income on your DIRPF and pay Brazilian taxes on it. The good news is that you can often claim this as "rendimentos recebidos do exterior" which sometimes has more favorable tax treatment. Also, for those mentioning the W-8BEN form - in my experience, most US companies' accounting software automatically flags foreign contractors for 30% withholding until they have a properly completed W-8BEN on file. Even though you'll leave Part II blank (no treaty benefits), having that form completed and submitted promptly is crucial to avoid any withholding delays. Has anyone here dealt with the situation where a US client initially withholds taxes by mistake and then needs to refund them? I'm curious about the process for getting those funds back if it happens.

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