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Why is 1099-R Box 2a "Taxable amount not determined" blank?

I just received my 1099-R from my previous employer's retirement plan and I'm completely confused. In box 2a (taxable amount), it's completely blank, and there's a checkmark in box 2b for "Taxable amount not determined." What does this even mean? Do I need to figure out how much is taxable myself? I took about $42,800 from my 401k after leaving my job at Westridge Systems, and I'm not sure if I need to pay taxes on all of it or just part of it. This is my first time dealing with retirement distributions and I'm trying to get everything right for my 2025 taxes. Has anyone dealt with this before? Do I need to contact my plan administrator or is there something I'm missing?

When you see box 2a blank and 2b checked as "Taxable amount not determined," it basically means the payer (your former employer's plan) didn't calculate the taxable portion for you. It's putting the responsibility on you to figure it out. The taxability really depends on a few things: the type of account it was (traditional 401k or Roth 401k), whether you made any after-tax contributions, and what you did with the money after withdrawal. If this was a traditional pre-tax 401k and you just cashed it out, then generally the entire amount would be taxable income. If you rolled it over properly to another qualified retirement account within 60 days, it might not be taxable at all. Did you roll this money into another retirement account, or did you just take the distribution as cash?

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I took the distribution as cash because I needed the money for some home repairs and medical bills. It was a traditional 401k that I contributed to for about 8 years, all pre-tax as far as I know. So does this mean I'll have to pay taxes on the entire $42,800? That seems like it would be a huge tax hit.

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Yes, unfortunately if you took the distribution as cash from a traditional 401k with pre-tax contributions, the entire amount is generally taxable as ordinary income. This will be added to your other income for the year, which could potentially push you into a higher tax bracket. Additionally, if you're under 59½ years old when you took the distribution, you'll likely face a 10% early withdrawal penalty on top of the regular income taxes, unless you qualify for one of the exceptions (certain medical expenses, first-time home purchase, etc.). I'd recommend gathering any documentation you have about the account to verify there were no after-tax contributions, though that's relatively uncommon in most 401k plans.

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How accurate is this tool? I'm in a similar situation with my 403b distribution and my tax guy is charging me an extra $175 just to figure out the taxable amount. Does it handle situations where you've made both pre-tax and after-tax contributions over the years?

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Does this actually work better than just calling the plan administrator? I tried something similar last year and it was a waste of time - ended up having to contact my old employer's benefits department anyway.

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Wait, this sounds too good to be true. The IRS actually answered the phone and gave helpful advice? I've literally never been able to get through to them about anything. How does this service work - do they have some special access or something?

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I'm extremely skeptical of any service claiming to get the IRS on the phone quickly. I tried calling the IRS about my 1099-R issue last month and gave up after 2.5 hours on hold. Also, I doubt IRS agents are allowed to give specific tax advice about your situation - they usually just recite general rules.

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No special access - they just have an automated system that keeps calling and navigating the phone tree until they get a human. Then they connect you. It's basically the same as if you kept calling back repeatedly until you got through. The IRS rep didn't give me "tax advice" exactly, but did explain how to interpret the 1099-R form and directed me to the right publications and worksheets to calculate the taxable amount. They walked me through which forms I needed to fill out given my specific distribution type. Not detailed tax planning, but definitely clearer guidance than I got from my plan administrator.

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I have to admit I was wrong about Claimyr. I was so frustrated after reading this thread that I decided to give it a try despite my skepticism. Got a call back about 40 minutes later with an actual IRS agent on the line. The agent confirmed that with a blank Box 2a and the "taxable amount not determined" checked, I needed to use Form 8606 to calculate the taxable portion myself. In my case, I had made non-deductible contributions to a Traditional IRA over several years, so some of my distribution wasn't taxable. The agent directed me to my previous years' Form 8606s to find my basis. Would have taken me weeks to figure this out on my own if I could even get through to the IRS at all. Definitely changed my perspective on dealing with tax issues.

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Don't forget to consider DIRECT ROLLOVERS as an option for the future! I had a similar situation last year with my 403b, but instead of taking the cash, I did a direct rollover to an IRA. Because it went directly from one retirement account to another, there was no taxable event. If you've already taken the cash distribution, you still might have options. If it's been less than 60 days since you received the money, you can do a 60-day rollover by depositing some or all of it into another qualified retirement account. You'd only pay taxes on whatever portion you don't roll over.

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Thanks for the info on rollovers, but unfortunately it's been about 4 months since I took the distribution so I guess I'm past that 60-day window. I wish I had known about this earlier! Is there any way to reduce the tax impact at this point, or am I just stuck paying taxes on the full amount?

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Unfortunately, the 60-day rollover deadline is pretty strict unless you qualify for one of the limited exceptions (like severe disasters, serious illness, or IRS errors). At this point, you're likely looking at paying taxes on the full amount. Some strategies to consider: check if you qualify for any exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty (medical expenses exceeding 7.5% of AGI, health insurance while unemployed, etc.). Also, if your income is lower this year than it might be in future years, that's at least a small silver lining tax-wise. You might want to increase your withholding on other income sources or make estimated tax payments to avoid an underpayment penalty when you file.

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Has anyone here used the Retirement Tax Worksheets from IRS Publication 575? I had a similar 1099-R situation and that publication helped me figure out the taxable vs. non-taxable portions. The key is knowing whether you made after-tax contributions (which you'd need records for) or if everything was pre-tax. Also, Box 7 on your 1099-R has a code that can give you clues about the distribution type. What code is in Box 7 of your form?

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Box 7 on my 1099-R has the code "7" in it. Not sure what that means exactly. As far as I know, all my contributions were pre-tax, but I'll have to double check my old statements. I'll look up that IRS Publication 575 you mentioned - thanks for the tip!

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Code 7 typically means a normal distribution, no known exceptions to the additional tax. So if you're under 59½, you're likely subject to the 10% early withdrawal penalty unless you qualify for an exception. If all your contributions were pre-tax (which is most common with 401k plans), then unfortunately the entire distribution is typically taxable. Publication 575 has worksheets that can help confirm this. Your plan administrator should also be able to tell you if you ever made after-tax contributions, which would give you some non-taxable basis.

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I went through this exact same situation a few years ago and it's definitely frustrating! When Box 2a is blank with "taxable amount not determined" checked, it usually happens when the plan administrator doesn't have complete records of your contribution history or basis in the account. Here's what I learned: You'll need to determine the taxable amount yourself using your contribution records. Since you mentioned it was a traditional 401k with pre-tax contributions for 8 years, the entire $42,800 is likely taxable as ordinary income. However, I'd strongly recommend double-checking a few things: 1. Pull out all your old 401k statements to verify you never made any after-tax contributions (sometimes called "designated Roth contributions" or "non-deductible contributions") 2. Check if your employer ever made any after-tax contributions on your behalf 3. Look at Box 5 on your 1099-R - if there's an amount there, it represents any after-tax contributions that wouldn't be taxable The good news is that medical expenses and home repairs might qualify you for exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty if you're under 59½. Medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of your adjusted gross income can be an exception. Keep all your receipts and documentation! I'd recommend consulting with a tax professional for your specific situation, but at least now you know what direction to head in.

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This is really helpful, thank you! I just checked my 1099-R and Box 5 is completely empty, so I guess that confirms no after-tax contributions. Looking back at my old statements, everything does appear to be pre-tax contributions like I thought. One question about the penalty exceptions - you mentioned medical expenses over 7.5% of AGI. Does that mean if my adjusted gross income is around $65,000 this year, I'd need medical expenses over about $4,875 to qualify for the exception? I had some major dental work done ($3,200) plus some other medical bills, but I'm not sure if I'll hit that threshold. Do I need to have paid these expenses in the same year I took the distribution, or can they be from previous years? Also, for the home repairs - are there specific types that qualify, or does any home improvement work count toward the penalty exception?

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