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Derek Olson

How to determine taxable amount on 1099-R Code 7 Normal Distribution pension?

Just started getting pension payments this year from my old employer and I'm totally confused about the tax situation. The 1099-R form they sent has Box 2a (taxable amount) completely empty and they checked the "taxable amount not determined" box (2b). Distribution code in Box 7 is listed as "7 - Normal Distribution" and the IRA/SEP/Simple box is NOT checked. There's a small amount in box 5 (employee contributions) - just a few hundred bucks. And it shows total employee contributions as $0. I definitely met all the requirements for the pension plan when I retired. Currently working at a different company now. I've been searching online trying to figure out what portion of this pension is actually taxable income. Everything I'm finding seems contradictory - some sources say none of it is taxable, others say I need to pay taxes on the full amount. Can anyone explain how to determine the taxable amount when the 1099-R doesn't specify it?

Danielle Mays

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This is a common issue with pensions and 1099-R forms. When you see Box 2a empty and Box 2b checked for "taxable amount not determined," it typically means the plan administrator is putting the responsibility on you to determine the taxable portion. Since your Box 5 shows only a few hundred dollars and total employee contributions are $0, this suggests you didn't contribute after-tax money to this pension. When a pension is funded entirely (or almost entirely) by your employer with pre-tax money, generally the ENTIRE distribution is taxable. Code 7 simply indicates this is a normal distribution with no special circumstances (like early withdrawal, disability, etc.). If you had contributed after-tax dollars to the pension, you'd be able to recover those contributions tax-free, but since your contributions are listed as $0, it appears the full amount will be taxable as ordinary income.

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Roger Romero

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What if the pension was from a government job? Don't some of those have different rules? Also wondering if "taxable amount not determined" means something specific or if it's just the company being lazy about calculating it?

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Danielle Mays

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Government pensions do have some specific rules, but the basic principle is the same - you don't pay taxes on money that was already taxed. If you made contributions to a government pension with after-tax dollars, those contributions would come back to you tax-free. But since the form shows $0 for employee contributions, it appears this was likely funded entirely with pre-tax money. The "taxable amount not determined" box is often checked when the plan administrator doesn't have complete records of all your contributions throughout your employment, or when they're legally unable to make that determination for you. It's not necessarily laziness - sometimes they truly don't have all the information needed, especially for older pension plans or ones that have changed administrators.

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Does this work for state taxes too? My pension comes from another state and I've been getting conflicting advice about whether I need to pay taxes in that state or my current one.

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Nia Watson

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You need to check your contribution details from when you were employed there. If you made contributions with after-tax dollars, then part of your distribution would be tax-free. But since you mentioned total employee contributions are $0, it sounds like the pension was entirely funded by your employer with pre-tax money, which means the entire amount is taxable. The IRS has a worksheet in Publication 575 that can help you calculate this if you're still unsure. But honestly if your employee contributions are truly $0, then it's pretty straightforward - the full amount is taxable.

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Derek Olson

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Thanks, that's helpful! I was employed there for 15 years and honestly don't remember the details of how the pension was funded. Is there a way to find out my contribution history if I no longer have access to my old employment records? Would the HR department at my former employer still have that information?

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Nia Watson

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You should definitely contact the HR department or benefits administrator at your former employer. They should maintain records of your pension contributions. Even if you left years ago, they're required to keep this information. Ask specifically for a history of your pension contributions and whether they were made with pre-tax or after-tax dollars. Another option is to contact the pension plan administrator directly. Their contact information should be on your annual pension statements or on the 1099-R form itself. They can provide a history of the account and contribution details. If your contributions truly were $0 as indicated on the 1099-R, then you're looking at the entire distribution being taxable.

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Check if the pension plan was a "qualified plan" under section 401(a). Most employer plans are qualified, and in that case, distributions are fully taxable unless you made after-tax contributions. Since your form shows $0 employee contributions, it's almost certainly 100% taxable.

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This is right. I'm a retired accountant and dealt with hundreds of these cases. Code 7 with $0 employee contributions means the whole thing is taxable. Your employer funded it all with pre-tax money.

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Keisha Taylor

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Derek, based on what you've described, it sounds like your entire pension distribution is taxable. When Box 2a is empty and Box 2b is checked for "taxable amount not determined," combined with $0 employee contributions shown on your 1099-R, this typically indicates that your employer funded the entire pension with pre-tax dollars. Code 7 just means it's a normal distribution - no early withdrawal penalties or special circumstances. The key factor here is that $0 in employee contributions. If you had contributed after-tax money to the pension during your employment, you'd be able to recover those contributions tax-free. But since there are no employee contributions listed, the IRS will treat the full amount as taxable ordinary income. I'd recommend double-checking with your former employer's HR or pension administrator to confirm your contribution history, but based on the 1099-R you received, you'll likely need to report the entire distribution as taxable income on your return. Make sure to set aside money for the tax liability if you haven't had taxes withheld from your pension payments.

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Mei Chen

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This is really helpful advice! I'm in a similar situation with my pension from a municipal job. One thing I'd add is that even if you think you never made contributions, sometimes there were mandatory employee contributions that were taken from your paycheck that you might not remember. I found out I had been contributing 3% of my salary for years when I looked back at my old pay stubs. It's definitely worth digging through any old employment records you might have before assuming everything is taxable.

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I went through this exact same situation two years ago with my pension from a manufacturing company where I worked for 22 years. The 1099-R looked identical to what you're describing - empty Box 2a, Box 2b checked, and $0 employee contributions. After consulting with a tax professional and reviewing my old employment documents, we confirmed that the entire distribution was indeed taxable. The company had funded 100% of the pension with pre-tax dollars, so there was no tax-free portion to recover. One thing that helped me was requesting a "Summary Plan Description" from the pension administrator. This document clearly outlined how the plan was funded and confirmed that employees didn't make any after-tax contributions to this particular pension plan. It gave me the confidence I needed to report the full amount as taxable income. Since you mentioned you're currently working at a different company, just make sure you're prepared for the tax impact. Pension income can push you into a higher tax bracket, especially if you're still earning wages. I ended up increasing my quarterly estimated tax payments to avoid a big bill at filing time.

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PaulineW

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Thanks for sharing your experience, Madeline! That's really helpful. I'm definitely concerned about the tax impact since I am still working full-time. Can you give me an idea of how much extra you ended up owing when you first started receiving pension payments? I'm trying to figure out if I should adjust my withholdings at my current job or make quarterly payments like you did. Also, did you have any taxes withheld from the pension payments themselves, or did you take the full amount and handle the taxes separately?

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