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Mae Bennett

Why does the IRS charge interest on late payments but doesn't pay us interest on our excess withholdings?

I'm honestly frustrated with how one-sided the IRS interest policy seems to be. If I'm even a month late on my taxes, they immediately start charging me interest on what I owe. But what about all of us who have excess withholdings throughout the entire year? The IRS gets to hold onto our money interest-free for an average of 12 months before returning it as a refund. It just doesn't seem fair that they can charge us interest for being late, but we don't get credited any interest for essentially giving the government an interest-free loan with our overpayments all year long. I've had around $3,400 withheld in excess this past year - that's money I could have been using or investing. How is this legal? Why is the IRS allowed to have such a one-sided policy on interest? Does anyone know if there's ever been any challenge to this system?

This frustration is definitely understandable! The IRS can charge interest on late payments because tax law specifically authorizes it - they're following the Internal Revenue Code that Congress passed. The reasoning behind this system is that taxes are technically due as you earn income throughout the year (that's why withholding exists in the first place). When you file your return, you're not actually paying your taxes - you're reconciling what you should have paid versus what was actually withheld. From the government's perspective, when you pay late, you're essentially getting a loan from the government. When you overpay through withholding, you're choosing a payment method that exceeds your obligation - they see it as your choice to overwithhold rather than calculating your withholding more precisely. That said, there is one situation where the IRS does pay interest - if they're extremely late with your refund (generally more than 45 days after the filing deadline), they'll actually pay interest on your refund amount.

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So you're saying I should just adjust my W-4 to have less money withheld throughout the year instead of getting a big refund? Wouldn't that put me at risk of owing money and getting penalized if I calculate wrong?

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Yes, adjusting your W-4 to more closely match your actual tax liability is generally the best approach. The IRS even has a Tax Withholding Estimator tool on their website to help you get this right. It helps you avoid giving the government an interest-free loan. The underpayment penalty typically only kicks in if you'll owe more than $1,000 at tax time and haven't paid at least 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of last year's tax (110% for higher incomes). Most people can adjust their withholding to come close enough without triggering penalties while still not overpaying significantly.

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You might want to look into Treasury Direct accounts and I-bonds as an alternative. Instead of having extra money withheld that the IRS keeps interest-free, you could set up automatic transfers to buy I-bonds throughout the year. Current rates are decent and they're backed by the government. Then when tax time comes, you just withhold the minimum needed to cover your taxes. You get interest on your money AND it's available when you need it.

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Do I-bonds have any penalties if you need to cash them out early? And are they easy to sell if you need the money for something else?

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I-bonds have to be held for at least one year before you can cash them out at all, so they're not good for short-term emergency funds. If you redeem them before 5 years, you lose the last 3 months of interest as a penalty. They're very easy to sell when you need the money - you just log into your Treasury Direct account and request the redemption. The money is usually in your linked bank account within 2 business days. The nice thing is you can cash out exactly what you need, not the entire bond. So if you buy a $1,000 bond but only need $500, you can just redeem that portion.

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FYI - the IRS interest rate for underpayments is currently 8% (as of July 2025). That's what they charge when you pay late. But most savings accounts are paying under 3%, and even 1-year CDs are around 4-5%. So the IRS is definitely making money by charging higher interest than what average Americans can earn.

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Where did you get that 8% number from? That seems crazy high compared to what banks offer.

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The IRS interest rates are set quarterly and published on their website. They're based on the federal short-term rate plus 3 percentage points for underpayments by individuals. So when federal rates go up, IRS penalty rates go up too. You can find the current rates by searching "IRS interest rates" - they update them every quarter in January, April, July, and October.

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This is such a common frustration, and you're absolutely right that it feels one-sided! What really gets me is that the IRS essentially gets to operate like a bank - they collect our money all year through withholding, invest or use those funds, but don't pay us any return on what is essentially forced lending. The system was designed this way because it ensures steady cash flow for government operations, but it definitely favors the government over taxpayers. In other countries, some tax systems do pay modest interest on overpayments, but the U.S. has never seriously considered this. Your best bet is really to get your withholding as close to your actual tax liability as possible. Even if you end up owing a small amount (under $1,000), you won't face penalties, and you'll have had the use of that money all year instead of giving the government a free loan. The psychological benefit of getting a big refund isn't worth the opportunity cost of losing access to your own money for months.

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This really puts it in perspective - the government is essentially operating a massive interest-free lending operation with taxpayer money! I never thought about it that way before. Do you happen to know if there's been any legislation proposed to change this system? It seems like with all the talk about fairness in taxation, this would be something politicians might address. Even a modest interest rate on overpayments (like 2-3%) would make a huge difference for people who consistently overwithhold by thousands of dollars.

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You're absolutely right to be frustrated about this! What makes it even more maddening is that the IRS has the authority to waive interest and penalties in cases of "reasonable cause," but they almost never extend that same flexibility to taxpayers who've been essentially forced to give them interest-free loans through overwithholding. I've been tracking this issue for years, and the numbers are staggering. The average tax refund is around $3,000, which means millions of Americans are collectively giving the government billions in interest-free loans annually. If you calculate what that money could earn in even a basic high-yield savings account (currently around 4-5%), we're talking about serious money that taxpayers are losing out on. The irony is that the IRS actively encourages people to overwithhold through their messaging around "getting a refund" rather than educating taxpayers about optimizing their withholding to break even. It's in their financial interest to keep this system exactly as it is.

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