Why does self employment tax seem so high compared to regular income?
Title: Why does self employment tax seem so high compared to regular income? 1 My son works at this local pizza joint and also has his own side business. I'm helping him do his taxes this year and I'm kinda shocked at what he owes. For his regular job, he made about $30k in 2024 and had roughly $1,500 taken out for federal taxes, $1,425 for state, $2,050 for Social Security, and $485 for Medicare. But here's what's got me confused... from his side business, he earned around $17k with no taxes paid throughout the year. Now TurboTax is saying he owes $4,750 in federal taxes! Can someone explain why the self employment income is getting taxed so much higher than his W-2 job? It seems crazy that his side gig is getting hit with such a high tax bill when it's less than his regular income.
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Connor O'Brien
8 The difference you're seeing is because of how self employment income works in our tax system. When your son works at the pizza place, his employer pays half of his Social Security and Medicare taxes (also known as FICA taxes), which comes to 7.65% of his wages. Your son only pays the other 7.65% through his paycheck deductions. But with self employment income, your son is considered both the employer AND the employee, so he has to pay both halves of those FICA taxes, which totals 15.3% (technically it's 15.3% on 92.35% of his self-employment earnings). This is called the "self-employment tax" and it's on top of regular income tax. Also, with his W-2 job, taxes are withheld throughout the year. With self-employment, if he didn't make estimated quarterly tax payments, he's paying it all at once now, which makes it feel even more painful.
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•12 So does that mean he's basically paying double the Social Security and Medicare taxes on his self employment income? Is there any way to reduce this tax hit? He's just starting out and didn't realize he'd be facing such a big bill.
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•8 Yes, that's exactly right - self-employed individuals pay both the employer and employee portions of Social Security and Medicare taxes, which is why it feels like double taxation. It's not actually double taxing the income, but rather covering both sides of the payroll tax equation. There are several ways to reduce the tax impact. First, make sure he's taking all eligible business deductions - things like mileage, supplies, equipment, part of his phone bill if used for business, etc. Every legitimate business expense reduces the net self-employment income that gets taxed. He can also look into setting up a SEP IRA or solo 401(k) which would allow him to make tax-deductible retirement contributions from his self-employment income.
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•11 I'm always skeptical of these tax services. How exactly does it find deductions that the major tax software doesn't? Sounds too good to be true.
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•15 It definitely found deductions that I missed in TurboTax. The difference is that it specifically analyzes your business situation and explains each potential deduction in context - like how much of your phone bill can be deducted based on business use or which home expenses qualify for home office deduction. TurboTax asks questions, but I often didn't know what qualified so I skipped things. As for the skepticism, I get it - I was hesitant too. The difference is that it's not magic - it's just really good at explaining tax rules for self-employment in plain language and walking you through each possible deduction with examples. It helped me understand WHY certain things qualify rather than just asking yes/no questions. Plus it helps you keep better records for next year.
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3 Another thing to consider - your son should definitely start making quarterly estimated tax payments for his self-employment income. The deadline for Q1 2025 payments is April 15th. This spreads out the tax burden throughout the year AND helps avoid underpayment penalties that the IRS can charge! For a rough estimate, he should set aside about 30% of his self-employment profit for taxes (15.3% for self-employment tax plus income tax). The IRS Form 1040-ES has worksheets to calculate this more precisely.
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•17 How do you actually make these quarterly payments? I just started doing some freelance work and want to avoid a big surprise next year.
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•3 You can make quarterly estimated tax payments directly on the IRS website through their Direct Pay system at irs.gov/payments. Just select "estimated tax" as the payment type. You can also mail in payments with Form 1040-ES vouchers if you prefer paper. For figuring out how much to pay, the safest approach is to pay at least 100% of your previous year's tax liability divided into four equal payments (or 110% if your income is over $150,000). This gives you "safe harbor" protection from underpayment penalties even if your income increases.
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4 Your son might also qualify for the Qualified Business Income (QBI) deduction, which could reduce his taxable income by up to 20% of his net business profit. This only applies to income tax though, not self-employment tax. Make sure your tax software is calculating this - it can make a significant difference!
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•9 Does the QBI deduction apply to all self-employment or only certain types of businesses? I do graphic design freelance work.
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