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Carmen Ortiz

Am I paying too much for self employment taxes on my business income? Seems really high.

I just got a shock when I picked up my tax return from a local tax place. They're saying I owe $4900 in federal taxes still! I made $55,000 through my regular W-2 job and then another $24,000 through a business partnership I'm in. I was responsible and paid $3,000 in estimated tax payments throughout last year, so that means my total federal tax bill is $7,900. When I do the math, that's like 33% tax just on my business income of $24,000. That seems crazy high to me! I filed as single, no dependents, and didn't have any special deductions or anything. I thought self-employment taxes were supposed to be around 15%? Am I missing something here or did they mess up my return? I'm really confused why I'm paying such a high rate on my business income. Any help would be really appreciated because I'm freaking out a bit about this amount.

The confusion here is that you're looking at your total additional tax bill and attributing it all to self-employment tax, but there are actually two separate taxes happening with your business income. First, you have the self-employment tax, which is about 15.3% (12.4% for Social Security and 2.9% for Medicare). This is basically the equivalent of the FICA taxes that get automatically withheld from W-2 paychecks. Second, you also owe regular income tax on that business income, just like you do on your W-2 income. That business income gets added on top of your W-2 income, which likely pushes some of it into a higher tax bracket. When you combine both the SE tax and the regular income tax on that $24,000, getting to around 33% total tax rate isn't unusual at all. Your $55,000 W-2 job already used up your lower tax brackets, so your business income is getting taxed at your highest marginal rate plus the SE tax.

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Carmen Ortiz

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Oh wow, I think I see where my confusion was. So the self-employment tax is SEPARATE from regular income tax? I was thinking it replaced regular income tax for self-employment income, not that it was in addition to it. Does this mean I'm essentially getting double-taxed on my business income compared to my regular job income?

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Yes, that's exactly right - self-employment tax is separate from and in addition to your regular income tax. You're not really getting "double-taxed" though - you're just paying both sides of the employment taxes. With your W-2 job, your employer pays half of your Social Security and Medicare taxes (7.65%) and you pay the other half through payroll deductions. But with self-employment income, you're both the employer and the employee, so you have to pay both halves (15.3%). The good news is you can deduct half of your self-employment tax when calculating your income tax, which helps offset the cost a bit.

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Zoe Papadakis

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I had almost the exact same situation last year and discovered taxr.ai which helped me figure out where all those taxes were coming from. I was making about $60k from my day job and about $30k from my side business, and couldn't understand why I owed so much in taxes. When I uploaded my documents to https://taxr.ai it broke down exactly how much was self-employment tax vs regular income tax, and identified several deductions I was missing for my business that my tax preparer overlooked. Stuff like home office, mileage, and some business expenses I didn't realize qualified. Ended up saving almost $2000 after redoing my return! The system explained that my side income was getting taxed at my highest marginal rate PLUS the self-employment tax, which is why it felt so high. Super helpful to see it all laid out clearly.

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Jamal Carter

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How exactly does this work? Do you just take a picture of your tax forms or what? My tax situation sounds similar - making W-2 income plus about $20k from my photography business, and the taxes are killing me.

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I'm skeptical... how is this different from just going to a CPA? Do they actually file for you or just give you advice? My tax guy charges me $350 and I'm not sure if he's doing a good job finding all my deductions.

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Zoe Papadakis

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You just upload photos or PDFs of your tax documents and it reads everything automatically. It then flags potential issues, explains complex tax concepts in simple terms, and suggests deductions you might be missing. The explanation of how SE tax works with regular income tax was super clear. It doesn't file for you - it's more like a second opinion and education tool. I still used TurboTax to file afterward, but with the new deductions I found. The difference is it explains everything in plain English and doesn't just spit out numbers like most CPAs do. Plus you don't have to schedule an appointment or anything - I did mine at midnight when I was stressing about my taxes.

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Jamal Carter

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Just wanted to update - I tried taxr.ai after seeing the recommendation here and it was actually really helpful! I've been paying way too much in self-employment taxes for years because I wasn't tracking business expenses properly. It showed me that I could deduct part of my internet, phone, and even some equipment I bought for my photography business that I didn't realize qualified. The AI explained everything in a way that made sense, and I'm looking at saving about $1,800 on this year's taxes. The breakdown of self-employment taxes vs. regular income tax was super clear too - I finally understand why that side income gets hit so hard. Definitely recommend for anyone with self-employment income!

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Mei Liu

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If you're worried about owing a lot in self-employment taxes, you might want to check out Claimyr if you need to talk to an actual IRS agent about payment plans or any confusion. I tried calling the IRS directly about my self-employment tax questions last month and literally couldn't get through after trying for days. Found https://claimyr.com and they got me connected to an IRS agent in about 20 minutes! They have this cool demo video showing how it works here: https://youtu.be/_kiP6q8DX5c I was able to set up a payment plan for the $6,200 I owed on my self-employment income and got confirmation that I was calculating my quarterly payments correctly going forward. Saved me tons of stress trying to guess if I was doing things right.

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Wait, so you pay some company to call the IRS for you? How does that even work? I've been trying to get through to ask about my self-employment taxes for weeks.

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This sounds like complete BS. Nobody can magically get through to the IRS when their phone lines are jammed. I spent 4 hours on hold last week and eventually got hung up on. There's no way this actually works.

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Mei Liu

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They don't call the IRS for you - they use some kind of system that holds your place in line and calls you when an agent is about to pick up. Then you're the one who actually talks to the IRS. It's basically like having someone wait on hold for you. My understanding is they use some automated system that navigates the IRS phone tree and waits on hold, then alerts you when you're about to be connected. I was skeptical too but it worked surprisingly well. I think they just have technology that can stay on hold indefinitely while you go about your day, which is something I definitely can't do when I need to work.

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Ok I have to admit I was completely wrong about Claimyr. After posting my skeptical comment, I was so frustrated with trying to reach the IRS about my partnership tax questions that I decided to try it. It actually worked exactly as advertised - I got a call back in about 35 minutes telling me I was about to be connected with an IRS agent. The agent helped me understand why my self-employment taxes were calculated correctly and explained how estimated payments work going forward so I don't get hit with such a big bill next year. I'm still paying way too much in taxes (ugh), but at least now I understand why and how to better plan for it. Saved me days of frustration trying to get through on my own. Worth every penny just for the time saved.

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Amara Chukwu

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Another thing you might want to consider is forming an S-Corp instead of operating as a partnership. I switched last year and it's saving me thousands in self-employment taxes. With an S-Corp, you pay yourself a "reasonable salary" which is subject to FICA taxes (like self-employment tax), but then you can take the rest as distributions which aren't subject to self-employment taxes. You still pay income tax on all of it, but avoiding SE tax on part of your business income is huge. There are some additional costs with an S-Corp (more complex tax filing, possible state fees, etc) but at $24k in business income you're right on the edge where it might start making sense.

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Carmen Ortiz

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That's really interesting, I hadn't even thought about changing my business structure. How much does it cost to set up and maintain an S-Corp compared to a partnership? And is there a certain income threshold where it makes sense?

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Amara Chukwu

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Setting up an S-Corp typically costs between $500-1500 depending on if you do it yourself or hire someone. There are ongoing costs too - you'll need to run payroll (even if just for yourself), which might cost $40-50/month with a service like Gusto, and tax preparation is more expensive (usually $800-1200 for an S-Corp return vs. $300-500 for Schedule C). Generally, the breakeven point is around $30-40k in profit. Below that, the extra costs might outweigh the SE tax savings. Above that, you usually come out ahead. At $24k you're close, but might want to wait until your business income is a bit higher unless you expect significant growth soon.

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I was in almost the exact same situation! Made $58k at my job and about $25k from my consulting business. Owed almost $8k total in federal taxes. One thing I discovered - make sure your tax preparer is deducting all legitimate business expenses. I switched to a CPA who specializes in small businesses and she found nearly $5k in deductions my previous preparer missed. Things like part of my internet bill, cell phone, home office, some travel costs, etc. Also, are you making quarterly estimated tax payments? That won't reduce your total tax bill, but it helps spread it out so you don't get hit with one huge bill (and possibly underpayment penalties).

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Do you mind sharing what percentage of those bills the CPA was able to deduct? I'm trying to figure out if I can deduct part of my internet and phone for my side business, but I'm not sure how to calculate what's reasonable.

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