How to calculate self employed tax for my small business income?
I've heard that self employment tax (15.3%) is completely separate from income tax, and I'm freaking out about what I'll owe this year. Until 2024, I never made more than $11k in net profit from my photography business, so I never worried much because the standard deduction covered most of it. But this year has been crazy busy and I'm on track to make around $54,000. I've been attempting to calculate what I'll owe and I'm seriously hoping I'm doing something wrong because the number seems INSANE. Here's my calculation: Income tax: 12% on $47,150 = $5,658 22% on the remaining $6,850 ($54,000 - $47,150) = $1,507 PLUS self employment tax: 15.3% on the entire $54,000 = $8,262 Total tax = $15,427 Is this seriously right??? That's almost 30% of my income! Please someone tell me I'm calculating this incorrectly or missing some deductions I can take. This can't be right...can it?
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Mei Wong
You're partially right but missing a few important deductions that will reduce your tax burden. First, you don't pay self-employment tax on your entire income. You pay it on 92.35% of your net earnings (because employers normally pay half of FICA taxes). So it would be 15.3% of $49,869 (92.35% of $54,000), which equals about $7,630 instead of $8,262. Second, you can deduct half of your self-employment tax from your income before calculating income tax. So you'd subtract about $3,815 from your $54,000, giving you $50,185 in taxable income. Third, don't forget you still get the standard deduction ($13,850 for single filers in 2024) which reduces your taxable income further to $36,335. So your income tax would be closer to $4,132, plus SE tax of $7,630, totaling around $11,762. Still significant, but less than your calculation. I'd recommend setting aside 25-30% of your income for taxes to be safe.
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Liam Fitzgerald
•If they're making $54k in net profit, wouldn't they need to make quarterly estimated tax payments? I heard there's penalties if you don't pay throughout the year.
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Mei Wong
•Yes, you should be making quarterly estimated tax payments if you expect to owe $1,000 or more in taxes for the year. The deadlines are typically April 15, June 15, September 15, and January 15 of the following year. If you haven't been making these payments, you might face an underpayment penalty. However, if this is your first year with significant self-employment income, you might qualify for an exception. The IRS generally waives the penalty if you paid at least 90% of the current year's tax or 100% of the previous year's tax (whichever is smaller).
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PixelWarrior
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Amara Adebayo
•How is this different from just using TurboTax or something? Does it actually help with lowering SE taxes specifically?
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Giovanni Rossi
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PixelWarrior
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Amara Adebayo
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Fatima Al-Mansour
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Dylan Evans
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Giovanni Rossi
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Sofia Gomez
Don't forget about the QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction! As a self-employed person, you can potentially deduct up to 20% of your qualified business income. This is huge and often overlooked. For someone making $54k in net profit, this could reduce your taxable income by up to $10,800. This deduction is in addition to your standard deduction and business expenses. Also, look into setting up a SEP IRA or Solo 401(k) - contributions reduce your taxable income and help with retirement planning at the same time.
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Jamal Washington
•Wait, I've never heard of the QBI deduction before. Is this something new? And does it reduce both income tax AND self-employment tax?
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Sofia Gomez
•The QBI (Qualified Business Income) deduction was introduced as part of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, so it's been around for a few years now. It allows eligible self-employed individuals and small business owners to deduct up to 20% of their qualified business income on their taxes. It only reduces your income tax, not your self-employment tax. The self-employment tax is calculated on your net business income before the QBI deduction is applied. However, the income tax savings can still be substantial. For example, if you qualify for the full 20% deduction on $54,000, that's $10,800 less income subject to income tax, which could save you approximately $1,300-$2,400 depending on your tax bracket.
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StormChaser
One thing to consider that hasn't been mentioned is your business expenses. Are you actually netting $54k, or is that your gross income? If it's gross, then you need to subtract all your legitimate business expenses before calculating any taxes. Common deductions for self-employed people: - Home office (if used regularly and exclusively for business) - Business portion of internet and phone - Mileage for business trips (58.5 cents per mile in 2024) - Software, equipment, supplies - Professional development and subscriptions - Health insurance premiums - Retirement plan contributions These can significantly reduce your taxable income. I thought I made about $65k last year but after properly tracking expenses, my taxable business income was closer to $48k.
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Dmitry Petrov
•Don't forget about business meals! You can deduct 50% of business meals, and for 2021-2022 it was 100% for restaurant meals. I believe it's back to 50% for 2024 though.
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TommyKapitz
As someone who went through this exact panic last year, I feel your pain! The good news is you're definitely overthinking the numbers. The other commenters have given you solid advice about the self-employment tax calculation and deductions. One thing I'd add - don't forget about business expenses that are specific to photography. You can deduct: - Camera equipment and lens purchases/repairs - Photography software subscriptions (Lightroom, Photoshop, etc.) - Props, backdrops, lighting equipment - Travel to shoot locations - Client meetings (including meals at 50%) - Photography workshops and education - Website hosting and domain costs - Business cards and marketing materials I was shocked at how much my taxable income dropped once I properly tracked all my photography-related expenses. Also, definitely look into that QBI deduction - it's a game changer for self-employed folks. The 25-30% rule for setting aside taxes is spot on. I learned that lesson the hard way! Consider opening a separate savings account just for taxes so you're not tempted to spend that money.
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